Is this a puzzle?

[Me4Him]

Originally posted by Calvibaptist:
Originally posted by Me4Him:
Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

Sin is the temptation to obey the "lust of the flesh", and scripture say Jesus was tempted in every manner we are tempted to fulfill the "lust of his flesh", but didn't.

Do you really believe the things you write? You just said "sin is the temptation to obey the lust of the flesh." SIN IS NOT TEMPTATION. According to your statement Jesus sinned because He was tempted. If Jesus sinned then we have no hope. SIN IS NOT TEMPTATION. Sin is yielding to temptation. Jesus could not yield because He was perfect. Therefore, Jesus could not sin.

Let me "re-phrase" the statement.

The "LUST" had to be present for the "temptation" to exist,

the lust of the flesh is the temptation.

If the "lust" is not there, how can you be tempted, the "possibility" to sin had to exist, or he couldn't have been "tempted" and victorious over sin.

I didn't say that desire (lust - same word) wasn't there. I said He couldn't sin. He couldn't yeild to the lust. There is a big difference between desire and following through on desire.

Was it also "impossible" for him to call the twelve legions of Angels and "NOT DIE"???

Overcoming the will of the flesh is the victory over sin, and part of that "WILL" was also "NOT TO DIE".

Just as it was possible to call the angels, it was possible to sin.

The "flesh" was crucified for sin, not the spirit.

This is a gnostic view that unduly separated the physical from the immaterial. The gnostics believed that either Jesus was the man and Christ was the Spirit and the Spirit left at the cross, so as not to die. Or they believed that Jesus was really just a phantom, because God cannot die. You've got the man dying and the spirit just kind of hanging around in limbo. You cannot separate the two.


Jesus died, period. He became sin for us and when that happened, he face spiritual death for us and conquered it. If he did not, then we have no hope because then WE must conquer it.

The "lust of the flesh" is the cause of sin, and in crucifying the "FLESH", Jesus crucified the "lust" of the flesh.

This is why we don't "fulfill the lust of the flesh", the "OLD MAN" is "dead",

Jesus "PURGED" our "CONSCIENCE" (ness) from sin, or from following the lust of the flesh.

"ALL FLESH" dies, this is the "once appointment" with death, but the "Second death" of the soul isn't appointed to any man, and the saved soul will "never die".

I notice in another thread, you don't understand the separation of "Flesh/Spirit". (soul)

 

[Me4Him]

Originally posted by Calvibaptist:
Originally posted by webdog:
[qb] If He couldn't have sinned, He couldn't have been tempted.

You make a bold statement without any Scriptural support. You are making a philosophical argument. My argument that He could not have sinned is a theological one. It is based on the fact that He was God and God cannot sin. It is based on the sovereign plan of God that would not have been left up to "what ifs" like the possibility that Jesus might screw everything up by giving in to temptation.

The whole idea of Jesus being born of a woman, under the law, tempted, was to come down to the level of sin and defeat it.

He was also a man so He could be tempted. But He did not have a sin nature, so His will was not in bondage to sin like ours. He did not have the same problems we have.

Becoming a "MAN" was to have the same problems we have, but over coming them, "IF" you're in the "FLESH", you have the problems of the flesh, sin, hungry, thirst, tired, Etc.

Although, I am not surprised by the answers here. People who believe that individuals are born with a sin nature, but that they are blank slates and neutral as far as sin and God are concerned would believe that Jesus was also a blank slate and could possibly choose wrong. But He was not a blank slate. He was completely righteous and would never give that up for sin.

Jesus begun life just like all of us, in a body of lust that is prone to sin the first chance it gets, he just stopped short of fulfilling that lust.

Ga 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

We are born "Blank slates", until that knowledge of good/evil enters. (age of accountability)

Ge 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Joh 9:41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.