Is this heresy?

Nope! God says we shall all give account of ourselves; but He doesn't say how and where. It may be in this lifetime and it may not be. God is the judge and He is just. One may or may not pay the consequences of his sin on this earth. And even if he doesn't there is always the JSOC. We still will give account to God. I am not concerned with unconfessed sin at the time of death. Jesus paid it all. All for sin He did atone. Sin has left a crimson stain. He washed it white as snow.
[/b]ALL[/b] my sin has been washed away; He made me white as snow.
I am safe in the hand of Christ.
I have nothing to be concerned about, even if I fall in sin. I am a child of God; he will never disiherit me. He gave me eternal life; not temporal life. Sin, whether unconfessed or not can never keep me out of heaven according to the promises of God.

 

So, it may not be peace and joy when you die, until you have paid for your sins after becoming a believer?

Let me do all my suffering here for when I leave I want to be in a place where there is no sin, pain or tears. amen,

 

Bob, if you really believe what you are saying you will never see Heaven. WHY? Because you are depending on you not Christ to take you to Heaven.....won't work pal!

 

No where but no where have I said that its not Chirst that will take me to Heaven.
You can't answer the scriptures so you make up stuff and attack my character. It shows just how desperate you are Shiloh, I think you deserve pity. IMO You have to use large fonts, red type like a small child with crayons. Is your Bible written with crayons?

If you believe not in chastisement, then you are a BASTARD, and not a son, that is the scripture. Chastisement is to suffer, in case you didn't know.

 

The fact that you believe that one can go to hell because they have unconfessed sin in their life makes your faith a works religion. The work that you insist on is that man must confess that last sin in order to gain entrance into heaven. Thus salvation is not by the grace of God. It is grace + works, according to Bob.

The Bible never teaches that God will chastise his children for every sin. Can you demonstrate that he will out of the Scriptures.

 

Rom 6:23For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Hebrew 12:
4: Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
5: And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
6: For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7: If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8: But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

You are the one who keeps saying "sin is sin", so don't start making a difference now.

 

I agree, but certain sins will surely prove you are not saved. I also beg to differ somewhat for there is this scripture.
Hebrews, chapter 6

"4": For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

"5": And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

"6": If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

 

What does my singing have to do with anything?

 

These verses have nothing to do with this topic. You have taken them out of context.

 

They do kinda hurt your theory don't they? They are exactly what we are talking about for only a believer can be "partaker" of the Holy Ghost. I know someone who tried to buy it of the world but Jesus said let your money perish with thee. I may of not quoted it just right but you get the jest.

 

B.Bob said:
Originally Posted by Brother Bob
I agree, but certain sins will surely prove you are not saved. I also beg to differ somewhat for there is this scripture.
Hebrews, chapter 6

"4": For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

"5": And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

"6": If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

DHK said:
The book of Hebrews is written to?? Hebrews of course! The author was writing to Jews, most of whom were probably saved, but among them were some who were not and were thinking of returning back to Judaism. This passage is addressed to them. Throughout the entire book we have a contrast between the Judaic system and the New Covenant. The word "better" is a key word.

In verse 4 people are enlightened when they hear the Word of God preached, particularly when it is preached under the anointing of the Holy Spirit. A person can sit in church, unsaved, service after service under the sound preaching of the Word of God and never respond to it. He may even at times be convicted by the Holy Spirit. If so, he would have tasted of the heavenly gift; he would have partaken of the Holy Spirit. It is the Holy Spirit's work to convict of sin. They certainly would have tasted of the Word of God over and over again. If these Jews go back to Judaism there remains no more sacrifice for sins. They would have rejected the Messiah, the one and only sacrifice for sins. Their rejection of Jesus Christ, and going back to animal sacrifices would "crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame." There remains no more repentance, no other way of salvation except through Jesus Christ. And they were rejecting that way. These verses were written to unsaved Jews thinking of returning to Judaism. It has no bearing on what this thread or topic is about.

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Bob
I agree, but certain sins will surely prove you are not saved. I also beg to differ somewhat for there is this scripture.
Hebrews, chapter 6

"4": For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

"5": And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

"6": If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

These verses have nothing to do with this topic. You have taken them out of context.
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DHK
They do kinda hurt your theory don't they? They are exactly what we are talking about for only a believer can be "partaker" of the Holy Ghost. I know someone who tried to buy it of the world but Jesus said let your money perish with thee. I may of not quoted it just right but you get the jest.By Bob

You are in some bad shape. I wonder about the poor people in your church. raying: You are using Scripture that PROVES BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT THAT A PERSON CAN NOT LOSE THEIR SALVATION to say you can? Oh by the way do I see red? I believe there is blue in your posts also? :laugh:

Rom 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Rom 8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

That means n-o-t-h-i-n-g, not lying, stealing, adultery, Bob, do you know what the word NOTHING means? Salvation doesn't give us any license as you say to sin, it just guarantees us that we are going there. That's why you don't have many young people in your church. THEY CAN'T MEASURE UP TO YOUR STUPID DOCTRINE OF SINLESS PERFECTION. SHILOH because of the Blood of Christ, A SON!

 

It said they were made partakers of the Holy Ghost and if they were to fall, to renew them again to repentance is impossible. Why do you try to change God's word. You can't answer this scripture so you make up fables. The scripture is being fulfilled everyday, even on BB. IMO

 

Don't slander me Bob, or call me names, or use demeaning speech. Not only is it against BB rules, it is just not nice.
The fact is, I went through every single verse you quoted and expounded it for you. I explained each and every verse. Now you say that I don't answer Scripture and make up fables. That is a direct lie and you know it. The truth of the matter is: You have written this demeaning post without taking any time to answer my post explaining the Scripture which you posted without explaination. Care to give an explanation for that??
I suggest you apologize for some of the things that you have said and stick to the topic. If you can't answer Scripture with Scripture and have nothing more to say, then better not to post at all.

 

Why didn't you answer the scripture instead of making fun of it. I think if you are a child of God, you will suffer for mocking the word of God.

Paul said He was persuaded. Did Paul say there is nothing than can separate us from the God, No, He said he was persuaded there was not.

Paul was persuaded that he and Barnabas should separate also didn't he?

38But Paul decided not to take with them one who had deserted them in Pamphylia and had not accompanied them in the work. 39The disagreement became so sharp that they parted company; Barnabas took Mark with him and sailed away to Cyprus. 40But Paul chose Silas and set out, the believersp commending him to the grace of the Lord. 41He went through Syria and Cilicia, strengthening the churches.

Tell you what, you give me an answer for Hebrew 6: and then I give you mine. And don't do what DHK did and say it was just some jews that happen to hear the word and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost is a part of the God head and the scripture says if you be a friend of the world you are an enemy of God and likewise.

Are you sure you have studied the scriptures. Maybe you left your notes somewhere. I will wait until you find them and then maybe you can give me a scriptural answer.

I see you still playing with your crayons.

 

You have called me a liar since coming on here. If I slandered you then I do apoligize. Will you apoligize for some of the things you called me?

 

Read post #292 carefully. I referred to every verse of the Heb.6 passage that you posted on the board. The you said:

After having answered every Scripiture that you posted why do say that I can't answer Scripture when I just did? So you lied.
Why did you say I made up fables, when I didn't? A false accusation.
Why did you say that I changed God's word when I didn't? Both a lie and a false accusation?

What is up Bob? What is with this "kind of debate?" If you can't answer the response I gave to your Scripture then you better not post at all.

Reread post #292, and give a reasonable explanation why what I said is not an acceptable interpretation for you? Not just a one word/phrase answer.

 

Heb 6:4 For [it is] impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame.

The writer is using a hypothetical illustration with a hypothetical "IF" to show what would happen IF a Christian could fall from Salvation. How do we know that? Because he continues by saying, But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.

This passage teaches that it is impossible to be "renewed AGAIN unto repentance."

Bob, you "lose your salvationists" use this passage ignorantly to prove your "view" and all you are doing is puting your ignorance on public display!

Not only are you damning your own soul but the people in your church that you are preaching this false doctrine too. Again I tell you that's why you lost your young people in your church. They can see right through you just like I can!

Bob, Jesus Saves! He wants to save you! Why don't you junk your filthy righteousness and trust Him wholly before it's too late?

 

This is the way you started off this debate and now you are calling me a liar. You alway use your moderator position when you can't use scriptures. Your answers are not Bible answers and I showed you so now you are stooping to using authority over me. I doubt if that is the rule of the BB board also.

I do not like being called a liar over and over, a theif, and a murderer, as you have called me every one of these things. Now you want me to be all nice after you called me every thing in the book. I think you are the one who should act like a moderator and quit stooping to this level.