But Obama stopped the oceans from rising and everything has been okay since so you are talking once upon a time.
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But Obama stopped the oceans from rising and everything has been okay since so you are talking once upon a time.
Exactly. Waco was another dirty deal done dirt cheap by the FBI.
RighteousnessTemperance&
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Yeah, sorry. My response did sound a bit calloused. I do believe your friend's story, and that what they did was wrong and wrongheaded, wheelchair or not. One wonders if they are perpetrating this on all of the alleged terrorist's contacts, e.g., an entire mosque, or just stupidly picking soft targets.
RighteousnessTemperance&
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Not sure why you are so desperate to blame shift this one, but that's not a reasonable assessment of the Branch Davidian siege and eventual "armageddon." If considered an issue, Clinton would have been read into it long before inauguration.
Still, the ATF fiasco happened on February 28, 1993, more than a month afterward, and the disastrous FBI finale wasn't until much later, April 19, 1993, and was authorized by Clinton's AG, Janet Reno (at his OK).
It obviously happened on Clinton's watch, but might have happened on anyone's. The ATF and FBI tactics used against an armed defensive cult were probably as much to blame as anything.
This was my statement previously:
I really don't know what caused the fire or the massacre at the end. Do you?
OK. How did this play out. Please tell us.
What do you mean you don't know? Are you just trying to whitewash the FBI?
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Yes, I've got my own web site on FB, and it keeps me pretty busy! However, I still think of you guys and the awesome fellowship I had with a great number of you guys, and thought I'd check in and leave a thought provoking post!
God bless and keep you my brother. It is good to be back!
All the best to you! Nice to hear from you!
Has to be willful ignorance. It's a well known fact how the fire started.
They (the FBI) injected the whole house with CS gas from an armored vehicle, and then a spark somehow lit the dangerous gas afire.
It has been revealed that the dirty FBI made Mrs. Stone stand outside barefooted in the dead of winter in the pre-dawn hours of the home raid of the elderly couple.
The FBI stinks.
The FBI stinks.
Explain to us with proof how it went down. Do YOU know?
Why do you say I'm supportive of the FBI? I provided a story here in which they broke into a disabled friend of mine's place without a search warrant. I do think the CIA has done far worse things than the FBI.
You support Mueller and the raids in the dark over process stuff.
This is one account of what happened. remember that David Koresh was a cult leader who taught that
DEATH IN WACO: The Tear Gas; Chemical Isn't Meant to Cause Fire
DEATH IN WACO: The Tear Gas; Chemical Isn't Meant to Cause Fire
The gas used by Federal agents in their attack on the Branch Davidian compound yesterday is not flammable and in the form it was reportedly used could not have ignited the fire that destroyed the compound.
Dr. Jay Young, a chemical consultant in Silver Spring, Md., said that a mixture of the chemical, known as CS, and air could be ignited only if the ratio of the gas and the air was within a very narrow range, and that flames could not spread beyond the small area where such a ratio might exist.
"I cannot conceive of any foreseeable fire hazard posed by use of the gas," said Dr. Young, who is a safety consultant on chemicals.
The Branch Davidians were a cult offshoot of the Seventh Day Adventist Church. Koresh had absolute control. He had 10 "wives" including one who was 10 years old. He trained the children to march and shoot. Why does everyone here seem to be so supportive of them. ATF gave them 7 opportunities to give themselves up including a last one before the fire. Koresh had taught them they were in the last days and should be prepared to die for him because he spoke to God. I think it is entirely possible that he instructed the cult to set the fires. Other cult leaders did this. Why is it impossible to believe that he did as well? See the description and video on this site Survivors of 1993 Waco siege describe fatal fire that ended standoff.
https://parg.co/rR8
The group didn’t completely die out after the Waco debacle. Nine Davidians escaped the fire, and the group still hasn’t completely dissolved. A new group formed called “Branch, The Lord Our Righteousness” with a new compound in the old Waco space. They have a new leader.
Some Davidians were still meeting regularly for Bible study in 2013, and some believed Koresh might return from the dead to lead them again. “David came to give us a message and a hope,” one survivor, Sheila Martin, told Peoplemagazine. “We hope to see him again. Our regret is only that we didn’t serve God better.”
https://parg.co/rR8
The group didn’t completely die out after the Waco debacle. Nine Davidians escaped the fire, and the group still hasn’t completely dissolved. A new group formed called “Branch, The Lord Our Righteousness” with a new compound in the old Waco space. They have a new leader.
Some Davidians were still meeting regularly for Bible study in 2013, and some believed Koresh might return from the dead to lead them again. “David came to give us a message and a hope,” one survivor, Sheila Martin, told Peoplemagazine. “We hope to see him again. Our regret is only that we didn’t serve God better.”
Dems still support the FBI.
Nothing about what you said is accurate.
RighteousnessTemperance&
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The supposed support for them which you imagine here is all in your mind. The points are strictly about how the ATF and FBI dealt with them under Clinton and Reno and instigated the debacle that led to so many deaths. The cult under Koresh was a defensive one, not an offensive one. Laying siege was the just right tactic that would insure the resultant outcome. Putting full focus on the fire insures you will miss the overall point.
The FBI likes to raid peoples' homes in the dead of the night like some American version of Germany.
There is evidence that the FBI supplied a special rifle and special bullets for the assassination of Martin Luther King.
The FBI showed how mean they could be at Ruby Ridge when they murdered a teenage boy, his mother, and the family dog.
There is evidence that the FBI supplied a special rifle and special bullets for the assassination of Martin Luther King.
The FBI showed how mean they could be at Ruby Ridge when they murdered a teenage boy, his mother, and the family dog.
There are some theories that either J. Edgar Hoover (FBI) or Lyndon Johnson or both were behind the JFK assassination.