Is this it?!

[preacher4truth]

What a sad view! Not only do they have virtually no hope for the future, they try to take away the hope of others.

Old Josephus/Flavius is a good source for history, but for doctrine? Good grief!

Yes, and Hymenaeus and Philetus did the same thing in their day.

Funny thing about all this, Grasshopper and Kyredneck say they got proof from Scriptures all this happened in 70 A.D.

No, they didn't, yet they deny it (70 A.D.) is from extra-biblical resources when in fact you can only get this exact date outside of the Holy Scriptures. They read Josephus account then go to Scripture to interpret it, yet they write on here and say "Did Josephus say/write this?" and cut and paste verses as if within those verses it says 70 A.D., or as one, that inserts Josephus name into Scripture in place of the Lord Jesus Christ.

You're correct, this is Josephus doctrine. Strange thing is, this huge biblical prophecy and "fulfillment" has almost gone by in the world undetected, and people don't even realize the King of Kings is already reigning, invisibly. This "invisible" reign reminds me of this "...behold, He is in the secret chambers; believe it not." Matthew 24:26

I've been listening to much from preterists and about hyper-preterism, and also debates against such. What a sad sad religion brother, to them there is no resurrection, there is no judgment to come, Jesus resurrection was Spiritual, not bodily, (He only did that as an apologetic) and there will be no real physical reign, and this is the new heaven and earth right now.

Another thing, much of the NT doesn't apply to us in the case of preterism and hyper-preterism. Wonder who would want us to think much of the NT doesn't apply to believers today, and to feel a loss of hope?

Keep the Faith brother.

- Peace

 

[John of Japan]

Yes, and Hymenaeus and Philetus did the same thing in their day.

Funny thing about all this, Grasshopper and Kyredneck say they got proof from Scriptures all this happened in 70 A.D.

No, they didn't, yet they deny it (70 A.D.) is from extra-biblical resources when in fact you can only get this exact date outside of the Holy Scriptures. They read Josephus account then go to Scripture to interpret it, yet they write on here and say "Did Josephus say/write this?" and cut and paste verses as if within those verses it says 70 A.D., or as one, that inserts Josephus name into Scripture in place of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Good points.

I'm still waiting for the preterists on the board to answer my arguments from Greek exegesis, but all I got from two of them was that I rely on the Greek too much! On the Greek NT? Really!

You're correct, this is Josephus doctrine. Strange thing is, this huge biblical prophecy and "fulfillment" has almost gone by in the world undetected, and people don't even realize the King of Kings is already reigning, invisibly. This "invisible" reign reminds me of this "...behold, He is in the secret chambers; believe it not." Matthew 24:26

I've been listening to much from preterists and about hyper-preterism, and also debates against such. What a sad sad religion brother, to them there is no resurrection, there is no judgment to come, Jesus resurrection was Spiritual, not bodily, (He only did that as an apologetic) and there will be no real physical reign, and this is the new heaven and earth right now.

Another thing, much of the NT doesn't apply to us in the case of preterism and hyper-preterism. Wonder who would want us to think much of the NT doesn't apply to believers today, and to feel a loss of hope?

Keep the Faith brother.

- Peace

According to them, I suppose, The Olivet Discourse, all of Revelation, etc. doesn't apply to us.

 

[Grasshopper]

Please share the actual source for this. Josephus wrote various works, so which of them is this? "Josephus 24:1-2" doesn't cut it. Wars of the Jews? Antiquities?

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

[kyredneck]

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

....you orta be ashamed of yourself....heheh..haha....LOL...ROFL....

 

[revmwc]

And to add to this wonderful post:

Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.

31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the LORD come.

32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.


Here is where this was fulfilled:

Acts 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:

20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:

21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

So, as you see the sequence of each of these two passgaes(Joel and Acts), that before that "great and notable day of the Lord", that the moon shall be turned into blood, and the sun shall be darkened. This can not, and does not reference the end times. Why? Becuase it states after this occurance that "whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." If this was a reference to the end times, then no one could call upon His name, because time would be no more. That "great and notable day of the Lord" is referring to His death, on the cross.

i am I AM's!!

Willis

Wow I missed this a Charismatic Baptist.

 

[Amy.G]

Originally Posted by John of Japan
Please share the actual source for this. Josephus wrote various works, so which of them is this? "Josephus 24:1-2" doesn't cut it. Wars of the Jews? Antiquities?

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Ok, so call me stupid, but why is this funny?

 

[preacher4truth]

Ok, so call me stupid, but why is this funny?

It's called "we can't prove by Scriptures it happend in 70 A.D. as we've claimed, so we resort to mocking and ridicule."

Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Amy.G]

It's called "we can't prove by Scriptures it happend in 70 A.D. as we've claimed, so we resort to mocking and ridicule."

Nothing more, nothing less.

Oh ok. Gotcha! :thumbs:

 

[John of Japan]

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Oops. Ya got me. Need to read more carefully.