Is this piece of writing a sin?

[Guido]

So, can you please tell me if this letter is sinful? Moderators, I ask that if I request it, you do delete this thread.

This do I say according to truth, that according to truth I love you, with the love of friendship, and with the love that Jesus requires to all from the saints, fervently longing to show you this love, and not to fall short of benevolence, even though often I fail in ceaselessly showing it. For evidently, in our time in this group-home, I sometimes erred against you, although according to the words you have spoken, you hope according to this, that as there is kindness manifest by me, the same will be manifest also by him coming after me. And I know that as much as was possible for me, I constantly tried to be kind to you, though sometimes I failed through no resolve of my own. But more than this, more deeply I love you, which love shall eternally stand, though now from my heart your own has been turning away, of whom I desire a turning again to the former possible courtship, not requiring full submission on my part.

For to obey you in everything is opposed to my will as well as opposed to my nature, but to show forth to you a spirit of kindness is that which is in my heart. For there is no man upon the earth who can fully obey in everything. And as Christians do oftentimes disobey God, I often may disobey you. Therefore to offer full obedience, the same is foolish on my part. And so I beseech you not to demand it, although in a letter I wrote to you formerly, this did I offer in part.

And I love you according to truthful love, not only on account of your beauty, nor only in accord with the feelings that I feel, but on that which I know of your inner person, having increased so long in the knowledge thereof, sharing together a sturdy bond between both you and me, whereon also grounded is all my love for you. And in this is not only true commitment, but fervent will to show kindness, love I beseech you never to cast away.

For in casting away the love that I have for you, your deed will be pain to my heart, for which I will be in pursuit of another woman. For affliction upon me due to this deed, I will shun to suffer eternally. Therefore this pain will come to an end by my search for love in another. And now I beseech you, because I love you, that you turn to my heart once again, resolving to ready myself for a future life, in which shall be hope of the marriage of me and a woman to love me in truth, and who will that be, if not the one whom I write to? Therefore beseeching you, I do beseech you: let us abide in this hope, or otherwise let us forever be nothing but friends.

 

[canadyjd]

So, can you please tell me if this letter is sinful? Moderators, I ask that if I request it, you do delete this thread.

We must know the context (information about the author and who they are writing to) of the letter in order to determine if it’s appropriate.

peace to you

 

[agedman]

While reading, I became troubled at the pretense of using confusing sentences, word choice, structure of sentences, and lack of true cohesion to communicate effectively.

I am not going so far as drawing a conclusion, for the person it is sent will no doubt read with much fuller understanding.

If one is to plight their troth of devotion, perhaps a simple query concerning if the affections are mutual would have been more effective.

Group home relationships may spring from a codependency, and this is not healthy.

Though the letter itself is not sinful, the recipient should proceed with caution and awareness not to become a crutch.

 

[Guido]

While reading, I became troubled at the pretense of using confusing sentences, word choice, structure of sentences, and lack of true cohesion to communicate effectively.

Can you explain this in more detail?

I am not going so far as drawing a conclusion, for the person it is sent will no doubt read with much fuller understanding.

If one is to plight their troth of devotion, perhaps a simple query concerning if the affections are mutual would have been more effective.

Group home relationships may spring from a codependency, and this is not healthy.

Though the letter itself is not sinful, the recipient should proceed with caution and awareness not to become a crutch.

Honestly, it doesn't matter because the sender barely cares anymore.

 

[Guido]

While reading, I became troubled at the pretense of using confusing sentences, word choice, structure of sentences, and lack of true cohesion to communicate effectively.

I am not going so far as drawing a conclusion, for the person it is sent will no doubt read with much fuller understanding.

If one is to plight their troth of devotion, perhaps a simple query concerning if the affections are mutual would have been more effective.

Group home relationships may spring from a codependency, and this is not healthy.

Though the letter itself is not sinful, the recipient should proceed with caution and awareness not to become a crutch.

Upon rereading this, which was a slight revision of the letter given, I became aware that both letters are miscommunication.

 

[Guido]

I asked for help on expressing myself more clearly; no one replied.

I stated that this letter was miscommunication; no one replied.

First, the letter is, possibly, not fully comprehensible except to the person to whom it was written. Second, it should not read "Let us abide in this hope"; it should read "Let us abide in the former chance, " thus unifying the last paragraph with the theme.

Nobody stated what they thought was being communicated so I could not clarify any misinterpretation.

I would have liked this discussion to have continued, rather than to have suddenly stopped.

 

[atpollard]

So, can you please tell me if this letter is sinful? Moderators, I ask that if I request it, you do delete this thread.

Probably not “sin”.
Everything that does not please God is “sin”, yet this letter is about “love”. Love is something near and dear to the heart of God.

Who are we, as mere mortals, to judge “love” from words on a page? Only God can see the hearts of men and women to pass “true” judgement on such matters. That said, true love does not exist in eloquent words or valiant gestures or even deep passions. I am old enough and have lived enough to know that the true measure of love really is “agape” … the love of a mother for her child … what one is willing to give/do/suffer for the benefit of another without asking what it will get in return.

Real love cannot be measured (one way or another) in a letter. Real love is measured in deeds, not words.

So the letter is not a sin.
The letter may or may not be genuine love.
Only God can answer that question.

I can offer this: passion comes and goes, love abides.

 

[tyndale1946]

Probably not “sin”.
Everything that does not please God is “sin”, yet this letter is about “love”. Love is something near and dear to the heart of God.

Who are we, as mere mortals, to judge “love” from words on a page? Only God can see the hearts of men and women to pass “true” judgement on such matters. That said, true love does not exist in eloquent words or valiant gestures or even deep passions. I am old enough and have lived enough to know that the true measure of love really is “agape” … the love of a mother for her child … what one is willing to give/do/suffer for the benefit of another without asking what it will get in return.

Real love cannot be measured (one way or another) in a letter. Real love is measured in deeds, not words.

So the letter is not a sin.
The letter may or may not be genuine love.
Only God can answer that question.

I can offer this: passion comes and goes, love abides.

So it is a sin to write about love?... Before you were born Guido, the world revolved around it... Read the Songs Of Solomon, is that a sin what he wrote?... Btw... From my understanding Jewish men could not even read it until the age of 30, as it was to sensual and provocative but its way more than just a love story between a man and woman... The deeper meaning is the Lord and his bride... Read spiritually between the lines to get the full understanding.

You mentioned group-home, my son has been in a group home for over 18 years, he is soon to be 42 and he has had girlfriend after girlfriend but nothing has been serious and I don't suspect there will be... Your writer is just a bard with hearts in his eyes and wants to express himself... I say show it to the lady he is so infatuated with and then he will know... Until then he's just guessing... Brother Glen

 

[timtofly]

So it is a sin to write about love?... Before you were born Guido, the world revolved around it... Read the Songs Of Solomon, is that a sin what he wrote?... Btw... From my understanding Jewish men could not even read it until the age of 30, as it was to sensual and provocative but its way more than just a love story between a man and woman... The deeper meaning is the Lord and his bride... Read spiritually between the lines to get the full understanding.

You mentioned group-home, my son has been in a group home for over 18 years, he is soon to be 42 and he has had girlfriend after girlfriend but nothing has been serious and I don't suspect there will be... Your writer is just a bard with hearts in his eyes and wants to express himself... I say show it to the lady he is so infatuated with and then he will know... Until then he's just guessing... Brother Glen

How is this mainly about love, when the whole point is the breakup of a relationship?

"For in casting away the love that I have for you, your deed will be pain to my heart, for which I will be in pursuit of another woman"

What deed caused the writer to stop loving a person, enough to cause one to seek another woman?

No, I don't want to know! Would that not be the '"sin" part? One cannot confess another person's betrayal.

The only sin would be blaming another person unjustified. If one has just cause, one can end a relationship.

 

[Guido]

The main point is the last sentence of the first paragraph, expounded through rest of the letter. The preposition "in" in the first sentence of the last paragraph is supposed to specify a condition.

The writer's love is not what is supposed to cease, but the chance for courtship in the future, which was already put to an end by the reader.

 

[Guido]

I already talked to this person, who is my friend, a couple times recenty about the last paragraph and how I shouldn't have written it. And she said it's okay.

 

[Guido]

I have to be honest. The letter is sinful.

I wrote this letter to a person who already rejected me, in order to present them a warning I expected them to violate, so that I could pursue somebody else. Had not they violated the warning, I would have been stuck. But I'm not even sure if they had violated it yet. I believed they did because after they read it, they said almost nothing. or at least I did not understand what they said, and thought it was something negative.

Everything in the letter was true, until I decided I wanted to pursue somebody else. I don't mean to say that I simply stopped loving the person. I just wanted someone else. They already rejected me. The phrase that suggests their heart was turning away from me is a little uncertain because, I don't know why I wrote that, because they either rejected me or were in the process of doing so and I believed they already rejected me. So, I don't know why I phrased it that way.

I no longer fully understand what I wrote.

The third paragraph, I am not sure about, because in reading it, it seems to me that I was signifying three forms of love, which I called deeper than agape love. It was a combination of agape, friendship, and romantic love.

I'm not entirely sure why I wrote what I wrote.

The letter is garbage. In the future, I'll not write things like that, though I'll maintain my rhetorical efforts, depending on the audience.

 

[Guido]

There was a good reason she rejected me though which she explained to me, and it had nothing to do with me. I didn't fully understand this till after I wrote the letter.

 

[timtofly]

Why is "breaking up" a sin? You were not married.

If there was sin, it was already in your thoughts, not the letter itself. It could be embarrassing letting the world know your thoughts, but that seems a confession, not a deliberate sin. Obviously the reason you wrote the letter was based on you misreading the whole situation. That is just being human. Human nature is based on sin. But it is not a sin to fall in love with someone.

However the "sin" was already committed in your heart. If putting it in writing is another sin, is trying to justify sin, a third sin?

There was only one sin, and it was anger that you did not get your way. That happens constantly in life. Unfortunately love is one of the deepest angers, so it feels stronger than yelling at another driver on the road, for cutting you off in traffic. Obviously we want the other person to feel worse than we do. Life should not work that way either.

 

[Guido]

I don't think I was angry when I wrote that. I sinned, but the sin was not anger, on less, in the process of writing it, I felt anger, but do not remember. I was more motivated by my desire for another person and somehow -- although I don't see how -- my love for this person. I expressed sincere truth, if not fully, for the most part, but the theme and the warning both reveal that I was dishonest in one part of my message.

It is true that I tried my best to be kind to this person, but often failed.
It is true that i loved this person as well as I could the way God commanded.
It is true that I loved this person as a friend.
It is true that I knew this person very well, having known them for a long time.
It is true that I had feelings for this person.
It is true that I did not want to do everything this person said, but I failed to mention how kind this person was to me.
It is not true that I wanted to return to establishing the possibility of courtship in the future with them.

This letter is deceitful, and for that reason, a sin, and contains the motive of yielding a partially vain rhetorical product.

I acknowledge my sin, I confess it, I repent of it before God, and I turn from it. I don't believe i will ever do that in the future.

 

[timtofly]

I don't think I was angry when I wrote that. I sinned, but the sin was not anger, on less, in the process of writing it, I felt anger, but do not remember. I was more motivated by my desire for another person and somehow -- although I don't see how -- my love for this person. I expressed sincere truth, if not fully, for the most part, but the theme and the warning both reveal that I was dishonest in one part of my message.

It is true that I tried my best to be kind to this person, but often failed.
It is true that i loved this person as well as I could the way God commanded.
It is true that I loved this person as a friend.
It is true that I knew this person very well, having known them for a long time.
It is true that I had feelings for this person.
It is true that I did not want to do everything this person said, but I failed to mention how kind this person was to me.
It is not true that I wanted to return to establishing the possibility of courtship in the future with them.

This letter is deceitful, and for that reason, a sin, and contains the motive of yielding a partially vain rhetorical product.

I acknowledge my sin, I confess it, I repent of it before God, and I turn from it. I don't believe i will ever do that in the future.

Well sure. From the letter itself, you seem to blame the person you were writing to. Obviously it was not her fault.