Is Time a dimension or a Measurement?

[percho]

then -- the end, when he may deliver up the reign to God, even the Father, when he may have made useless all rule, and all authority and power -- for it behoveth him to reign till he may have put all the enemies under his feet -- the last enemy is done away -- death; 1 Cor 15:24-26 YLT

Is that when, "time shall be no more"?

Is death and time the same thing?

 

[BobRyan]

then -- the end, when he may deliver up the reign to God, even the Father, when he may have made useless all rule, and all authority and power -- for it behoveth him to reign till he may have put all the enemies under his feet -- the last enemy is done away -- death; 1 Cor 15:24-26 YLT

Is that when, "time shall be no more"?

Is death and time the same thing?

The "time shall be no more" phrase that you find in Revelation 10:6 is much misunderstood. Look at what NKJV says vs KJV. Both NKJV and NASB use the word "delay". So it is not in the strictest sense what we mean by "time" -- there is something else in this that is not apparent in the KJV.

6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: KJV

6 and swore by Him who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and the things that are in it, the earth and the things that are in it, and the sea and the things that are in it, that there should be delay no longer, NKJV

6 and swore by Him who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and the things in it, and the earth and the things in it, and the sea and the things in it, that there will be delay no longer, NASB


It can mean delay - or it could be referring to "prophetic time" -- the way Christ and John the Baptist used the term.

Mark 1:15 "15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel."

Time is fulfilled or "complete". THEY mean the "prophetic time" -- timeline of Dan 9 (so then the 490 years pointing to the Messiah's mission that say that after the first 483 the Messiah would appear.) -- has been fulfilled .. .completed.

IF we STICK with that SAME meaning - then "Time no more" means prophetic timelines will have ended by the time of the Rev 10 event.

 

[percho]

The "time shall be no more" phrase that you find in Revelation 10:6 is much misunderstood. Look at what NKJV says vs KJV. Both NKJV and NASB use the word "delay". So it is not in the strictest sense what we mean by "time" -- there is something else in this that is not apparent in the KJV.

6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: KJV

6 and swore by Him who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and the things that are in it, the earth and the things that are in it, and the sea and the things that are in it, that there should be delay no longer, NKJV

6 and swore by Him who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and the things in it, and the earth and the things in it, and the sea and the things in it, that there will be delay no longer, NASB


It can mean delay - or it could be referring to "prophetic time" -- the way Christ and John the Baptist used the term.

Mark 1:15 "15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel."

Time is fulfilled or "complete". THEY mean the "prophetic time" -- timeline of Dan 9 (so then the 490 years pointing to the Messiah's mission that say that after the first 483 the Messiah would appear.) -- has been fulfilled .. .completed.

IF we STICK with that SAME meaning - then "Time no more" means prophetic timelines will have ended by the time of the Rev 10 event.

Is this," but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not [fn]eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die.” a prophetic - timeline for this man, "Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living [fn]being"?

For as in Adam all die. Is this," Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living [fn]being. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end," the end of that prophetic timeline? 1 Cor 15:22- 1 phrase of 24

1 Cor 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural (soulish like the first man Adam); and afterward that which is spiritual.

Will prophetic time, of the soul that sins it shall die, then end?

 

[BobRyan]

Will prophetic time, of the soul that sins it shall die, then end?

No I am pretty sure that the end of prophetic timeline does not mean the 2nd coming because we see that there are more events that take place after it in Rev 10.

7 but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, then the mystery of God is finished, as He preached to His servants the prophets.

8 Then the voice which I heard from heaven, I heard again speaking with me, and saying, “Go, take the book which is open in the hand of the angel who stands on the sea and on the land.” 9 So I went to the angel, telling him to give me the little book. And he *said to me, “Take it and eat it; it will make your stomach bitter, but in your mouth it will be sweet as honey.” 10 I took the little book out of the angel’s hand and ate it, and in my mouth it was sweet as honey; and when I had eaten it, my stomach was made bitter. 11 And they *said to me, “You must prophesy again concerning many peoples and nations and tongues and kings.”

So more things will happen -- in fact more prophecy given.. but no more timelines to be given .. so no "7 more days of this or 100 more years of that" or the like. We see events and event sequences but no timeline for them after the Rev 10 point is reached.

 

[Yeshua1]

The creation of angels?

Of all things created.....

 

[The Biblicist]

No I am pretty sure that the end of prophetic timeline does not mean the 2nd coming because we see that there are more events that take place after it in Rev 10.

Revelation is not written in a strictly chronological fashion but in a parallel chronological fashion in series of parallel sevens. The sixth and seventh in each series takes the reader to the very same end time period of His coming. Notice that the phrase "time shall be no more" is crouched in a passage that defines God and this universe in a creative manner. Time measures created things.

 

[percho]

Revelation is not written in a strictly chronological fashion but in a parallel chronological fashion in series of parallel sevens. The sixth and seventh in each series takes the reader to the very same end time period of His coming. Notice that the phrase "time shall be no more" is crouched in a passage that defines God and this universe in a creative manner. Time measures created things.

Could we say that we are subject to, "time," until the redemption of the body?

 

[BobRyan]

Revelation is not written in a strictly chronological fashion but in a parallel chronological fashion in series of parallel sevens. The sixth and seventh in each series takes the reader to the very same end time period of His coming. Notice that the phrase "time shall be no more" is crouched in a passage that defines God and this universe in a creative manner. Time measures created things.

The angel of Rev 10 is not one of the 7 trumpet angels. So while you are correct that they take you to the end of time at 6 and 7 it is not true that literal time ends - only that some aspect of our time ends. Like no more death or like having the 2nd coming etc. In the case of Rev 10 it is referring to the open book of Daniel - and it is talking about prophetic time ending.

Rev 10
I saw another strong angel coming down out of heaven, clothed with a cloud; and the rainbow was upon his head, and his face was like the sun, and his feet like pillars of fire; 2 and he had in his hand a little book which was open.

 

[The Biblicist]

The angel of Rev 10 is not one of the 7 trumpet angels. So while you are correct that they take you to the end of time at 6 and 7 it is not true that literal time ends - only that some aspect of our time ends. Like no more death or like having the 2nd coming etc. In the case of Rev 10 it is referring to the open book of Daniel - and it is talking about prophetic time ending.

Rev 10
I saw another strong angel coming down out of heaven, clothed with a cloud; and the rainbow was upon his head, and his face was like the sun, and his feet like pillars of fire; 2 and he had in his hand a little book which was open.

I believe you are mistaken. Time began with the first created thing and ends when there is nothing that time can measure. Everything in the NEW heaven and earth remains forever NEW and NEVER AGES. You have a "new" man that never ages. You will have a NEW body that never ages. You will have a NEW heaven and earth that never ages. Everything will remain new for eternity. Time will be no more simply because there will be nothing in the NEW age that time can measure in terms of age.

 

[Bro. James]

The magical factor in the evolution equation is time. We dig up stuff and date it, and keep changing the dates. Biblical time and man's time to evolve a navel seem to be from different time zones. Our chronometers seem seriously out of calibration.

Comments?

Bro. James

 

[BobRyan]

I believe you are mistaken. Time began with the first created thing and ends when there is nothing that time can measure. .

No thoughts... no events, no "sequences"... nothing "happens" when there is no time.