Brightfame52
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Well if they're not Christs Sheep they shall die in their sins, But if Christs Sheep they shall be saved from their sins which includes unbelief.
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Is Unbelief A Sin?
- Thread starter tyndale1946
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No one is saved before they believe. God knows who will believe, of course. But there is still a crisis moment in time when salvation takes place. A person is not saved from eternity past. It takes place in time.
"...and such WERE some of you, but ye are washed..." See 1 Corinthians 6:9-11.
"...and such WERE some of you, but ye are washed..." See 1 Corinthians 6:9-11.
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To sin does not always require any physical action.
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To sin does not always require any physical action.
You must have this verse in mind.
James 4:17
Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
Do you think re 20 which I quoted, is filler or fluff and does not tell the whole story?
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" Salvation — that word salvation and the reality behind it — is the really big, all-encompassing word in Scripture. It includes election, predestination, redemption, propitiation, divine calling, regeneration, reconciliation, forgiveness, adoption, sanctification, and glorification. I mean, it is a big, glorious word. All of those events and processes — some are events and some are processes — are involved in how God saves us forever, and all of them are essential.No one is saved before they believe. God knows who will believe, of course. But there is still a crisis moment in time when salvation takes place. A person is not saved from eternity past. It takes place in time.
"...and such WERE some of you, but ye are washed..." See 1 Corinthians 6:9-11.
“We have been, we are being, and we will be saved.”
So, Paul says in Ephesians 2:8, “You have been saved.” And he says in 1 Corinthians 1:18, “to us who are being saved.” And he says in Romans 13:11, “Salvation is nearer to us now than when we first believed.” So, we have been, we are being, and we will be saved — event and process forever."
Is My Salvation an Event or a Process?
This is true so far as it goes, but in John 10:26-27, our Lord says, "But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep. My sheep hear My voice and they follow Me, and I give them eternal life." Our Lord's sheep are identified by their ears and their feet. They hear the Shepherd's voice and they follow Him. If someone is not hearing our Lord's words and not following Him, why would anyone suppose that he is one of His sheep?Well if they're not Christs Sheep they shall die in their sins, But if Christs Sheep they shall be saved from their sins which includes unbelief.
No one will be saved who is not believing in Christ and following Him as best he can. 'So we see that they were unable to enter in because of unbelief ........ Today, if you will hear His voice, do not harden your hearts' (Hebrews 3:19; 4:7).
But you ae right in that if one of God's elect should fall into grave sin or unbelief, the Good Shepherd will seek and find him and bring him back into the narrow way (Luke 19:10). Not one of His sheep will be lost (John 6:39).
Brightfame52
Well-Known Member
@Martin Marprelate
No one will believe in and follow Christ unless they"re saved first. And all the Sheep of Christ for whom He died, will be saved, and then believe in and follow Christ, Thanks to His Saving death for them. The only way a person can become a believer, and be set free from unbelief, is through Christ saving them.
No one will be saved who is not believing in Christ and following Him as best he can.
No one will believe in and follow Christ unless they"re saved first. And all the Sheep of Christ for whom He died, will be saved, and then believe in and follow Christ, Thanks to His Saving death for them. The only way a person can become a believer, and be set free from unbelief, is through Christ saving them.
Again, it's not wrong, but it's way too fatalistic for me.@Martin Marprelate
No one will believe in and follow Christ unless they're saved first. And all the Sheep of Christ for whom He died, will be saved, and then believe in and follow Christ, Thanks to His Saving death for them. The only way a person can become a believer, and be set free from unbelief, is through Christ saving them.
The Lord Jesus says, "The one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out." Not "The one to whom I come...."
Again, He says, "Come to Me, all you who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest." Not, "Wait for Me to come to you." There is a Psalm that says, "I waited patiently for the LORD; He inclined to me and heard my cry." But the cry comes before the waiting.
When we come to Christ, and are justified by grace through faith, we may understand that the reason we came is that God has loved us with an everlasting love, and drawn us with lovingkindness (Jeremiah 31:3)