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Is Yahweh not in the bible?
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Ed Edwards
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no Yahweh in the KJV1611 Edition:
IEHOVAH in the KJV1611 Edition:
Exodus 6:3 And I appeared vnto Abraham, vnto Isaac,
and vnto Iacob, by the Name of God Almighty,
but by my name IEHOVAH was I not knowen to them.
Psa 83:18 That men may knowe, that thou,
whose name alone is IEHOVAH:
art the most High ouer all the earth.
Isa 12:2 Behold, God is my saluation: I will trust,
and not be afraid; for the Lord IEHOVAH
is my strength and my song, he also is become my saluation.
Iehouah: in the KJV1611 Edition:
Gen 22:14 And Abraham called the name
of that place Iehouah-ijreh, as it is said to this day,
In the Mount of the LORD it shalbe seene.
Exo 17:15 And Moses built an Altar,
and called the name of it IEHOUAH Nissi.
Jdg 6:24 Then Gideon built an Altar there vnto
the Lord, and called it Iehouah shalom:
vnto this day it is yet in Ophrah, of the Abi-Ezrites.
Isa 26:4 Trust ye in the Lord for euer:
for in the Lord Iehouah is euerlasting strength.
IEHOVAH in the KJV1611 Edition:
Exodus 6:3 And I appeared vnto Abraham, vnto Isaac,
and vnto Iacob, by the Name of God Almighty,
but by my name IEHOVAH was I not knowen to them.
Psa 83:18 That men may knowe, that thou,
whose name alone is IEHOVAH:
art the most High ouer all the earth.
Isa 12:2 Behold, God is my saluation: I will trust,
and not be afraid; for the Lord IEHOVAH
is my strength and my song, he also is become my saluation.
Iehouah: in the KJV1611 Edition:
Gen 22:14 And Abraham called the name
of that place Iehouah-ijreh, as it is said to this day,
In the Mount of the LORD it shalbe seene.
Exo 17:15 And Moses built an Altar,
and called the name of it IEHOUAH Nissi.
Jdg 6:24 Then Gideon built an Altar there vnto
the Lord, and called it Iehouah shalom:
vnto this day it is yet in Ophrah, of the Abi-Ezrites.
Isa 26:4 Trust ye in the Lord for euer:
for in the Lord Iehouah is euerlasting strength.
I Am Blessed 24
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Do you really want to know???
xdisciplex: Are you a baby Christian or do you just ask questions to be asking them. You never seem to stick around and participate in the threads you start. I have asked you this before, but you never came back to that thread either.
xdisciplex: Are you a baby Christian or do you just ask questions to be asking them. You never seem to stick around and participate in the threads you start. I have asked you this before, but you never came back to that thread either.
xdisciplex said:
Where is this coming from? Are you scouring through Wikipedia in search of a hot topic?
C'mon Sue, with all respect, "xdiscipleshipx" hangs around more than my personal favorite Drive-by poster, Ol' 'sandy', who granted, shows up in a different forum, usually. :BangHead:I Am Blessed 16 said:
Granted 'xdx' does not always respond to his responders, but has in several threads, regardless of the POV.
BTW, have you noticed 'sandy' hasn't been around much lately with his Drive-bys?
Hmmm! Wonder if that has to do with the price of gasoline , these days? :tongue3: :laugh:
Ed
I Am Blessed 24
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:laugh: ED :laugh:
Now, leaving behind most of the jokes (note, I did not say all of 'em), I will give you an honest answer, to the best of my own limited ability. We do not know exactly how the word translated "LORD" (usually) is or was pronounced in Hebrew.xdisciplex said:
In fact, we do not know exactly, technically, how any word is pronounced in Hebrew, today.
Hebrew, as a language, was written originally with no vowels. What we have today, as "vowel points", was added by scattered various groups of Masorete scribes, from the 7th to the 11th centuries, in an attempt to 'codify' the pronounciation of Hebrew for the scattered Jewish people, around the world. How accurate they were after a millenium or two is debatable, at best, although it is usually accepted by most scholars in most cases. But the question remains open for all words in Hebrew, technically.
The simple fact of local dialects comes into play, here. I notice you are writing from the nation of Germany. I'd assume there are dialectical divisions there, as well as any place else. No two individuals speak exactly alike, or pronounce everything identically, even in an area such as central KY where I reside and grew up. In fact, I've been told that I do not 'sound' like most Kentuckians from my own area. This happens to be incorrect. I basically do speak as most do, as to pronounciation and inflection; I simply do not 'drawl' as much as most, a characteristic of many from my region. But should I travel 100 miles in about any direction, the pronounciation differences and local dialects start to appear.
When writing, this is not as apparent; when speaking, it is.
Is "Yahweh" a 'permissible' rendering? Absolutely! Is it the best possible rendering? Not that likely. This actual rendering comes from Gesenius, the Hebrew scholar of the early 1800's. As he, himself was two millenia or more removed from the OT language, this while a good educated guess is merely that, an educated guess, albeit 100 times better than one I might make, for example. This 'tetragrammon' was not spoken by the ancient Hebrews, save for very few cases amongst the priests, who actually closely guarded this exact pronounciation, out of deference, however misguided that may or may not have been, to the LORD. And in all probability, even this exact pronounciation was lost after the Babylonian and Assyrian conquests of Israel, and the destruction of the 'first' Temple.
Personally, I know whom I shall ask about this pronounciation when I get to heaven. It's gonna be Gesenius and old Eli, the priest.
One skeptical wag, when hearing something like this, from an old saint, who was speaking of Jonah, once responded, "Yeah! And what happens when Jonah isn't there?"
The old saint calmly responded, "In that case, you ask 'em!" :thumbsup:
Ed
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I Am Blessed 24
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Names of God - Elohim - YHWH - Yahweh - Adonai - Abba - Tetragrammaton.
The Meaning of the Divine Names
Yahweh, Jehovah (LORD)
Efforts to determine the meaning of the tetragrammaton (YHWH) through historical investigation have been rendered difficult by the paucity of informative data relative to the various forms of the name ya in historical sources outside the OT. For this reason the investigation has generally followed philological lines. G. R. Driver suggested that the form ya was originally an ejaculatory cry, "shouted in moments of excitement or ecstasy," that was "prologued to ya(h)wa(h), ya(h)wa(h)y, or the like." He suggested further that the name Yahweh arose from the consonance of an extended form of ya with the "imperfect tense of a defective verb." Thus, he saw the origin of the name in a popular etymology and asserted that its original form was forgotten.
http://mb-soft.com/believe/txh/namesgod.htm
The Meaning of the Divine Names
Yahweh, Jehovah (LORD)
Efforts to determine the meaning of the tetragrammaton (YHWH) through historical investigation have been rendered difficult by the paucity of informative data relative to the various forms of the name ya in historical sources outside the OT. For this reason the investigation has generally followed philological lines. G. R. Driver suggested that the form ya was originally an ejaculatory cry, "shouted in moments of excitement or ecstasy," that was "prologued to ya(h)wa(h), ya(h)wa(h)y, or the like." He suggested further that the name Yahweh arose from the consonance of an extended form of ya with the "imperfect tense of a defective verb." Thus, he saw the origin of the name in a popular etymology and asserted that its original form was forgotten.
http://mb-soft.com/believe/txh/namesgod.htm
Because the vowel pointing was not originally there, yaweh and Jehovah are virtuallyi idistinguishable.
The Y in Yaweh is often the same as J in eastern nations.
W's and V's cannot be distinguised by many people in eastern nations. They sound the same to them.
And the rest are vowels, which are put in at random.
Thus Jehovah is just as acceptable as Yaweh (the h being silent or redundant).
The Y in Yaweh is often the same as J in eastern nations.
W's and V's cannot be distinguised by many people in eastern nations. They sound the same to them.
And the rest are vowels, which are put in at random.
Thus Jehovah is just as acceptable as Yaweh (the h being silent or redundant).
There is an excellent article on this issue.
http://www.cmy.on.ca/toraportions2000/5767/BeReshit/Toldot/English.htm
The above is the view from Messianic Jews who accepted Jesus Christ as their Messiah.
Briefly the points are following:
1) The name of God is YHVH in Hebrew alphabet ( Aleph-Beyt). Problem is that His name was not recorded with any Vowel as the Masorah ( vowel) system was invented only after Jesus Christ when Jews were scattered and worried about losing their language and forgetting how to read Bible Tanak. Jews pronounce Yehowah, but Catholics say Yahweh. Protestants follow the pronunciation of Jews and say Jehovah ( J is often added to y as we notice the name of Jesus from Yesus)
However, nobody knows the exact pronunciation of the name of God as the name was recorded without vowels in the beginning.
2. In oriental culture and in many countries, calling the name of the father is not respectful, not appropriate. Moreover, the name of God is so sacred and if it is uttered carelessly, it is very much disgracing God. Human father's name must be uttered respectfully, then how much important is it that one should keep the name of God in a very much respectful manner and with fear ?
Morevoer, 10 commandments prohibits calling the name of God in vain.
That's why Jews don't utter the name of God, but call Him as HaShem ( the-name) or LORD.
3. In the news Testament, people were allowed to call only the name of Jesus, while calling the name of God is not allowed. Therefore you can find the name of God nowhere in NT.
Jesus ( Yeshuah in Hebrew) is the name given by God so that we can call the name of God.
If we read Mt 28:19, we notice that by the name ( singular) of Father, Son, Holy Spirit we are baptized. In other words, 3 persons of one deity shares one name!
That's why Peter mentioned only one name Jesus in Acts 2:38 when he admonished the repentance and baptism, despite Matthew 28:19, because Yeshuah is the name for us to call upon, and it is sufficient for us.
NOBODY in New Testament mentioned the name of God, and you can find Yahweh or Jehovah nowhere in NT, despite the following truth.
Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved! ( Romans 10:13)
Yeshuah ( Jesus) Ha-Masiah ( the Christ) is the name given to us so that we can call the name of God.
Yeshuah means Salvation in Hebrew. Both couple, Joseph and Mary called this name when they had the new baby Jesus, Yeshuah!
How many people are often abusing the name of Jesus Christ when they swear!
Calling God as Lord or LORD, or HaShem (thename) is sufficient for the godly and sincere people. The True Name of God will be known to us when Jesus comes again.
http://www.cmy.on.ca/toraportions2000/5767/BeReshit/Toldot/English.htm
The above is the view from Messianic Jews who accepted Jesus Christ as their Messiah.
Briefly the points are following:
1) The name of God is YHVH in Hebrew alphabet ( Aleph-Beyt). Problem is that His name was not recorded with any Vowel as the Masorah ( vowel) system was invented only after Jesus Christ when Jews were scattered and worried about losing their language and forgetting how to read Bible Tanak. Jews pronounce Yehowah, but Catholics say Yahweh. Protestants follow the pronunciation of Jews and say Jehovah ( J is often added to y as we notice the name of Jesus from Yesus)
However, nobody knows the exact pronunciation of the name of God as the name was recorded without vowels in the beginning.
2. In oriental culture and in many countries, calling the name of the father is not respectful, not appropriate. Moreover, the name of God is so sacred and if it is uttered carelessly, it is very much disgracing God. Human father's name must be uttered respectfully, then how much important is it that one should keep the name of God in a very much respectful manner and with fear ?
Morevoer, 10 commandments prohibits calling the name of God in vain.
That's why Jews don't utter the name of God, but call Him as HaShem ( the-name) or LORD.
3. In the news Testament, people were allowed to call only the name of Jesus, while calling the name of God is not allowed. Therefore you can find the name of God nowhere in NT.
Jesus ( Yeshuah in Hebrew) is the name given by God so that we can call the name of God.
If we read Mt 28:19, we notice that by the name ( singular) of Father, Son, Holy Spirit we are baptized. In other words, 3 persons of one deity shares one name!
That's why Peter mentioned only one name Jesus in Acts 2:38 when he admonished the repentance and baptism, despite Matthew 28:19, because Yeshuah is the name for us to call upon, and it is sufficient for us.
NOBODY in New Testament mentioned the name of God, and you can find Yahweh or Jehovah nowhere in NT, despite the following truth.
Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved! ( Romans 10:13)
Yeshuah ( Jesus) Ha-Masiah ( the Christ) is the name given to us so that we can call the name of God.
Yeshuah means Salvation in Hebrew. Both couple, Joseph and Mary called this name when they had the new baby Jesus, Yeshuah!
How many people are often abusing the name of Jesus Christ when they swear!
Calling God as Lord or LORD, or HaShem (thename) is sufficient for the godly and sincere people. The True Name of God will be known to us when Jesus comes again.
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xdisciplex
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Oh, so this means we cannot even know wether God's name is Yahweh or Jehova?
Personally I don't like the name Jehova but this is because of the whole Jehova's witnesses stuff.
I think Yahweh sounds much better. But what about Adonai? Adonai is also a name of God and this isn't being questioned, is it?
Personally I don't like the name Jehova but this is because of the whole Jehova's witnesses stuff.
I think Yahweh sounds much better. But what about Adonai? Adonai is also a name of God and this isn't being questioned, is it?
Isaiah 1:24 Therefore saith the Lord, the LORD of hosts,xdisciplex said:
Adonai is not all in Caps while Jehovah is, as it is translated in the KJV. That is how you can tell the difference. Elohim is usually translated God.
Strong's says of Adonai:
Thus adonai has the connotation more of the creator and sovereign of the universe. While Jehovah was a personal name, denoting the personal relationship that Jehovah had with the nation of Israel, and even with those that were before Israel, such as Abraham.
xdisciplex
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But jews do not say the word adonai afaik, right? Why not?
I Am Blessed 24
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God has many names that He is called by. I don't think it matters much as long as it is done with awesome reverence. I personally like Abba Father.