Apparently some of the KJV translators were brilliant but ungodly as well as witnessed by their persecution of the Baptist of their day, their doctrines, and their practices.Originally posted by Alex Mullins:
Even though I am KJV only, for me to alienate myself from those who hold other views would certainly be a victory for Satan, which was his objective when he caused brilliant, but ungodly, men to become involved in the translation of His Holy Word.
Maybe the excellence of your church is because the pure Word of God is being heard and not the perverse KJVO non-sense.My church, even though the pure word of the KJV is not heard much,...
Most who care and have prayerfully studied the issue disagree with KJVOnlyism. It is wholly illegitimate for you to assume someone has not studied or followed God's truth if they haven't accepted the false doctrine of KJVOnlyism. There is not a single passage that supports the single version only notion. The example of scripture (KJV- Luke 4:18 v. Isaiah 61:1) demonstrates that even Jesus used a different version of the OT than the one used to translate the KJV....except by a few who care and have studied the topic...
Perhaps He is at work because this is a Spirit filled congregation being fed through versions of the Bible that they can understand well enough to apply to their lives.God is at work in this body, in spite of the versions!
You demonstrate one of my main problems with KJVO... double standards. There is ample evidence that some of the KJV translators were involved in things and taught doctrines that Bible Christians should not be involved in.One need look no further than the lives of Westcott and Hort to understand why and how God's precious word has been under attack these past 120 years. There is ample aevidence that these two were into things that Bible Christians should not be involved in.
Translating or evaluating textual evidence with a different result than that arrived at by a 16th century Roman Catholic and a group of 17th century Anglicans is not mutilating God's Word.Praise God, He works in spite of the way mankind has mutilated His word,
The only folks I see on this board doing this are KJVO's who call versions of God's Word "perverted", "mutilated", et al.really, since The garden of Eden when Satan himself planted that seed of doubt by saying (to the woman) "Yea, hath God said? (Gen 3: 1). In contemporary terms , that means "Indeed, has God said?" which casts doubt on His word.
Try over 500 years ago. But you do bring up a good point. If it had been God's intention to preserve His Word in the word for word form demanded by KJVO's, He could have easily allowed man to invent the printing press thousands of years earlier. Instead, He used handcopying in spite of its common inaccuracies.With the invention of the printing press over 100 years ago
We have over 5000 "versions" of the Greek NT that all differ from each other. Prior to the 1450's, all Bibles were different from each other in one respect or another. They were still considered God's Word.we now have over 200 "versions" of God's word,
In fact with regard to real differences of substance, our translations agree with each other better than the 5 or 6 mss used by Erasmus to collate the TR. If I remember correctly, none of the mss used by him even had all of the NT books.
And you have a problem with people having the Bible in a form they can understand? Communicated instructions are much more effective when spoken in the vernacular of the one who is to carry them out.each one easier to read than the next,
You have given absolutely no evidence for this. MV's teach the same doctrines and standards as the KJV. The KJV IS NOT the standard. It is a translation. The TR IS NOT the standard. It is a text derived through primitive textual criticism.each one mutilating and twisting the precious word
If you think these are new issues or issues related to modern Bible versions then you need to learn some history.until, today, we live in a world where men are without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasure more than lovers of God. (2 Tim:3)
The men who gave us the KJV were guilty of at least 6 of the things in your list... just concerning their treatment of Baptists and Separatists.
Or perhaps Satan could introduce a doctrine that has no basis in scripture that would deny God's Word to people in language that they can understand and apply. He did it before with the Latin Vulgate.1. Knowing the subtle and evil intents of Satan and his hatred of the Word, Why would he not do all in his poer to get into it, pervert it and attempt to make it less effective in every way possible by casting doubt on it's reliability? This is the first and most obvious way he could succeed in getting us to divide, drawing attention away from our real mission.
KJVO's and liberals seem to be the ones intent on casting doubt on the reliability of Bibles.
Perhaps to keep people from worshiping a book like an idol. Why would God create the world perfect, allow man to corrupt it, then say in Romans 1 that no one has an excuse because nature testifies of God?2. Knowing the mind and the great power of our living God, why would He give it to man perfect
in the originals and then "lose it".
It is not necessary to use identical words to give a 100% reliable account of what someone said. MV's tell us what God's message to us was just as well as the KJV does.What good is the word if it is not 100% relieable?
Please don't use the Bible out of context. Paul was speaking here, assuring the Romans of his desire to have come to them before that point.His very nature and His Word promises that He "would not have us ignorant" (Romans 1: 13)
This error in interpretation has been corrected so many times yet you guys keep repeating it. The promised preservation is for the righteous....and we can count on his word from generation to generation (Psalms 12: 6 - 7) which is our assurance that the righteous can find comfort in the pure and valued Word of God.
However, let's assume your interpretation is correct. If the KJV represents the sole manifestation of that preservation then God lied for more than 2000 years before giving man the TR and KJV. Neither of these works of men was identical to any book before them.
Since all of the mss are a little different from each other and the TR, "which one is it?" Which mss is the perfect preservation to the exclusion of all others?So, knowing that we have it we have only to ask ourselves "Which one is it, since they are all a little different"?
Such a lack of humility is truly amazing.Thanks for allowing me to enlighten you all who believe otherwise.
I am truly saved. I do have such a desire. God led me away from the KJVO false doctrine. My prayer on this issue continues to be that God will show me the truth and change my heart and mind if I am wrong. The longer and more submissively I pray this... the more convinced I become that KJVOnlyism is completely false and a danger to biblical fundamentalism.If you are truly saved, you will possess that desire to pursue truth and the Holy Spirit will lead you to it, as He did me.
I don't dislike you because of your belief. In fact other than a few pompous comments, I think you are probably quite likeable. I dislike your belief because of what it might do to you, others, and the cause of Christ.Remember, oldest is not always best and, if you are a true, blood-bought, born-again believer Satan will be the victor if you dislike me for my belief.