Is your Bible Inerrant?

[Ed Edwards]

Wow! a 49th for:
5 The Bible is inerrant only in the KJV 1611 (exclusive of translator notes)

Interesting that this is the majority KJV-onlyist
position supported on this poll (3-votes).
From talking to actual posting KJV-onlyists
here, it seems like more actually agree
with
7. The Bible is inerrant only in the KJB1769 and/or KJB1873
Which only has one vote.
It seems like the posting KJV-onlyists would be more likely
agree
1 with the 1611 only
3 with the 1769 or 1873

But on the internet, according to a recent survey i took,
the KJV1611 is not used by any KJB advocate or KJV-onliest.

And the comic-book doctrine-ites believe that the KJV1611
is corrupted by Jesuits who inserted those pesky
translator notes

Anyway, thank you, Mr/Mrs 49th voter!!!

 

[Ed Edwards]

OH! a new voter.
I'll have to analyse this later.
I've got to get read for a noontime
meal with my Sunday School class
(at my house)

 

[gb93433]

If the KJV of 1611 (that has been revised a few times) is the only innerrant Bible what does that say about those that preceded it? I guess that throws out the Greek NT and the LXX as well.

 

[swordsman]

Originally posted by gb93433:
If the KJV of 1611 (that has been revised a few times) is the only innerrant Bible what does that say about those that preceded it? I guess that throws out the Greek NT and the LXX as well.

YES it does seem that way doesn't it

 

[Ed Edwards]

As of 2 Dec 2003:

Poll Results: Is your Bible Inerrant? (52 votes.)
Is your Bible Inerrant?
Choose 1
-3 the Bible has many major errors and is invalid 0% (0)
-2 the Bible has major errors so is only marginally useful 2% (1)
-1 the Bible has minor errors and should be used with caution 0% (0)
0 the Bible has minor errors but is still useful 4% (2)
1 The Bible is inerrant on all doctrinal issues 12% (6)
2 The Bible is inerrant on all issues: doctrinal, historic, and scientific 10% (5)
3 The Bible is inerrant in the original autographs 42% (22)
4 The Bible is inerrant only in the Textus Receptus (TR) 2% (1)
5 The Bible is inerrant only in the KJV 1611 (exclusive of translator notes) 8% (4)
The Bible is inerrant only in the KJV 1611 (including the translator notes) 2% (1)
7 The Bible is inerrant only in the KJB1769 and/or KJB1873 2% (1)
8 inerrant in any English translation based on the TR 4% (2)
9 inerrant in any English translation translated by dynamic equivalence 0% (0)
10 The Bible is inerrant in all English translations 13% (7)

11 inerrant as implemented in the Doctrine of the Church of England 0% (0)
12 inerrant implemented in the US Republican Party platform 0% (0)

 

[Ed Edwards]

Inerrancy rules

 

[Archangel7]

Originally posted by gb93433:

If the KJV of 1611 (that has been revised a few times) is the only innerrant Bible what does that say about those that preceded it? I guess that throws out the Greek NT and the LXX as well.

It says that there was no "pure, perfect, preserved, inerrant" word of God in English before 1611, so God must have failed to keep His promise to preserve His word as far as English speaking people were concerned.

Either that, or it says that the KJV-Only concept of preservation is mistaken.

 

[Ed Edwards]

Wow! three new votes!
Here are the three new votes:
1 The Bible is inerrant on all doctrinal issues 13% (7)
3 The Bible is inerrant in the original autographs 42% (23)
10 The Bible is inerrant in all English translations 15% (8)

 

[Ed Edwards]

Here are the words from the SOF = statement
of faith, for this board:

The Holy Bible was written by men
divinely inspired and is God's revelation
of Himself to man. It is a perfect treasure
of divine instruction. It has God for
its author, salvation for its end,
and truth, without any mixture of error,
for its matter. Therefore, all Scripture
is totally true and trustworthy.
It reveals the principles by which
God judges us, and therefore is, and will
remain to the end of the world, the
true center of Christian union, and the
supreme standard by which all human
conduct, creeds, and religious opinions
should be tried. All Scripture is
a testimony to Christ, who is Himself
the focus of divine revelation.


Notice on the question, any answer
1 through 12 is Inerrant, hense "matches"
the SOF guideline.

 

[Baptist born Baptist bred]

Originally posted by Ed Edwards:
Here are the words from the SOF = statement
of faith, for this board:

The Holy Bible was written by men
divinely inspired and is God's revelation
of Himself to man. It is a perfect treasure
of divine instruction. It has God for
its author, salvation for its end,
and truth, without any mixture of error,
for its matter. Therefore, all Scripture
is totally true and trustworthy.
It reveals the principles by which
God judges us, and therefore is, and will
remain to the end of the world, the
true center of Christian union, and the
supreme standard by which all human
conduct, creeds, and religious opinions
should be tried. All Scripture is
a testimony to Christ, who is Himself
the focus of divine revelation.


Notice on the question, any answer
1 through 12 is Inerrant, hense "matches"
the SOF guideline.

I don't think I agree with you last statement. 1-12 would not follow the literal understanding of the Statement of Faith. The literal understanding says without any mixture of error. If one votes that the Bible is only inerrant on doctrinal issues, they are choosing not to say it is inerrant on all issues. Thus, by implication containing a mixture of possible errors in history/science. Anything less than complete inerrancy is not in agreement with the Statement of Faith in my opinion.

 

[Ed Edwards]

3 new votes this morning for:

3 The Bible is inerrant in the original autographs 46% (26)

Thank you for voting.

Run over here and vote for Ed
as member of the year

http://www.baptistboard.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=20;t=000190

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[ December 19, 2003, 08:25 AM: Message edited by: Ed Edwards ]

 

[GoldenTongue]

Originally posted by Baptist born, Baptist bred:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ed Edwards:
Here are the words from the SOF = statement
of faith, for this board:

The Holy Bible was written by men
divinely inspired and is God's revelation
of Himself to man. It is a perfect treasure
of divine instruction. It has God for
its author, salvation for its end,
and truth, without any mixture of error,
for its matter. Therefore, all Scripture
is totally true and trustworthy.
It reveals the principles by which
God judges us, and therefore is, and will
remain to the end of the world, the
true center of Christian union, and the
supreme standard by which all human
conduct, creeds, and religious opinions
should be tried. All Scripture is
a testimony to Christ, who is Himself
the focus of divine revelation.


Notice on the question, any answer
1 through 12 is Inerrant, hense "matches"
the SOF guideline.

I don't think I agree with you last statement. 1-12 would not follow the literal understanding of the Statement of Faith. The literal understanding says without any mixture of error. If one votes that the Bible is only inerrant on doctrinal issues, they are choosing not to say it is inerrant on all issues. Thus, by implication containing a mixture of possible errors in history/science. Anything less than complete inerrancy is not in agreement with the Statement of Faith in my opinion. </font>[/QUOTE]

 

[Ed Edwards]

I said: "Notice on the question, any answer
1 through 12 is Inerrant, hense "matches"
the SOF guideline."

Baptist born, Baptist bred said:
"I don't think I agree with you last statement."

Let me rephrase so you can disagree with the statement
and not with me:

"Notice on the question, any answer
1 through 12, some will say meets
their definition of Inerrant, hense
conforms with the SOF guideline."

 

[GoldenTongue]

I would agree with your summation and observation.

Some will say that “any answer 1 through 12…meets their definition of Inerrant, hence conforms with the SOF guideline;” however, I will disagree with those that make this statement. If you vote that “The Bible is inerrant on all doctrinal issues” then the logical sequence of arguments would follow. Does the Bible contain only doctrinal issues? If it does, then what part are doctrinal and what part are not doctrinal? Are those parts considered the Bible, etc..? If you affirm that the Bible “has God for its author” then every part of the Bible must be inerrant. If it is not, then what part did God not write because God can not lie nor any deceit be found within Him. On the other hand if you affirm that 4-12 are correct you put your trust in the inerrancy of interpretation and translation. This is a thin line because I believe that well over 99% of the Bible that we have now is inerrant. However, I will admit to textual variances in different texts and incorrect interpretations, thus the errant translations of the Bible. Therefore, the only logically conclusion and most trustworthy answer would be that “The Bible is inerrant in the original autographs.” It is the original autographs that are totally inerrant in all they say, teach, and affirm. Each word is the inerrant word of God and placed in the exact place with the exact wording that God had ordained them to be placed.

 

[Phil310]

I voted "Inerrent in the original autographs only."
Had there been a category "Inerrent in any English Translation so long as it is faithfully translated from the originals" and place one degree above the "dynamic equivalent" option, I would have chosen that one.

 

[Ed Edwards]

Poll Results: Is your Bible Inerrant? (60 votes.)
Is your Bible Inerrant?
Choose 1

First column: new votes since #52
Second column the category
Third column: current % and current count:

== -3 the Bible has many major errors and is invalid 0% (0)
== -2 the Bible has major errors so is only marginally useful 2% (1)
== -1 the Bible has minor errors and should be used with caution 0% (0)
== 0 the Bible has minor errors but is still useful 3% (2)
+1 1 The Bible is inerrant on all doctrinal issues 12% (7)
== 2 The Bible is inerrant on all issues: doctrinal, historic, and scientific 8% (5)
+6 3 The Bible is inerrant in the original autographs 47% (28)
== 4 The Bible is inerrant only in the Textus Receptus (TR) 2% (1)
== 5 The Bible is inerrant only in the KJV 1611 (exclusive of translator notes) 7% (4)
== 6. The Bible is inerrant only in the KJV 1611 (including the translator notes) 2% (1)
== 7 The Bible is inerrant only in the KJB1769 and/or KJB1873 2% (1)
== 8 inerrant in any English translation based on the TR 3% (2)
== 9 inerrant in any English translation translated by dynamic equivalence 0% (0)
+1 10 The Bible is inerrant in all English translations 13% (8)
== 11 inerrant as implemented in the Doctrine of the Church of England 0% (0)
== 12 inerrant implemented in the US Republican Party platform 0% (0)

thank you for voting

 

[Ed Edwards]

Originally posted by Phil310:
I voted "Inerrent in the original autographs only."
Had there been a category "Inerrent in any English Translation so long as it is faithfully translated from the originals" and place one degree above the "dynamic equivalent" option, I would have chosen that one.

Thank you Brother Phil310. I'll have that in
next time i use the poll.

 

[Ed Edwards]

My Bible is inerrant.

 

[Ed Edwards]

Originally posted by Ed Edwards:
My Bible is inerrant.

Mine is a New King James Version
and it is also inerrant!

 

[timothy 1769]

Originally posted by Ed Edwards:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ed Edwards:
My Bible is inerrant.

Mine is a New King James Version
and it is also inerrant!

</font>[/QUOTE]Are all the variations in the foonotes inerrant too?