Isa 45:7

[Van]

LOL, yet another attack the messenger post coupled with the usual denial of same.
RB "I am not talking about you to other people"
RB "What you actually mean, there is absolutely no support in scripture that you are willing to except!"
RB "So your claim is that God did not send his son into the world to die for sin?"

Ascribing unbiblical view to opponents of bogus doctrine is typical diversion.

Is the issue as to whether Christ went to cross by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God? Nope, so yet another strawman diversion.

Back to the actual issue - the biblical doctrine of God's sovereignty is that God causes or allows whatsoever comes to pass. He does not predestine everything. We make choices that alter the outcome of our lives, life or death.

Finally RB claimes to have posted scriptures that support that predestines whatsoever comes to pass.
Did Isaiah 45:7 support that premise? Nope
The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the LORD who does all these. Does this say God predestines everything? Nope

Did Acts 2:23 support that premise? Nope
this Man, delivered over by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God, you nailed to a cross by the hands of godless men and put Him to death. Does this say God predestines everything? Nope. God predestines somethings, but that is not at issue.

Scripture says God sets before us the choice of life and death, not life only for some and death only for the rest. Deuteronomy 30:19
"I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. So choose life in order that you may live, you and your descendants,

 

[reformed_baptist]

I think we have all born with this farce long enough - it grieves me that you don't seem prepared to listen to anything that said.

Anyone who wishes to though, may review this thread and see the truth of the matter - it isn't hard to see who has dealt with scripture openly, or who has actually presented something positive.

However I will not be responding to you on this thread until:

1) You learn to speak to me, rather then addressing an unseen crowds as if I am not even here!
2) You engage with me at the level of scripture rather the ad-hom and strawmen

I suppose this a victory for you - it's what you wanted - the one calling for a careful examination of scripture silenced - after all, what man made tradition can stand against the word of God!

So, bye for now!

 

[Jean Lorraine Crocker]

I would like to hear some thoughts on the following passage;

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

What is your response to those who say God causes everything including people to sin based on that verse?

I must disagree. I do not believe that God told me to commit sins. The sins I have done are all on me. I knew better but chose to go ahead. God is not responsible.