Isaiah 66 and Acts

[asterisktom]

Did you ever notice that the places mentioned in Isaiah 66, where the Kingdom of Zion first reaches toward, are the same areas that are first visited by the missionary efforts in the Acts of the Apostles? Very instructive.

Make no mistake on this point. Physically, there is no longer a Zion for them to come to. In AD 70 the Jewel and Crown of earthly Zionism is laid in the dust by the Roman Empire. And within 70 years years the next - and last - Jewish revolt, that of Bar Kochba - is decisively and inexorably put down, the glory of city of Jerusalem demolished. Earthly Jerusalem is finished, having become the long-ago destroyed Babylon of Revelation.

But the Jerusalem from above, "the mother of us all", Gal. 4:26 - the one Isaiah and Revelation - assures us of, is not finished. It just keeps growing. In fact, of this "kingdom there shall be no end." Luke 1:33.

 

[rlvaughn]

Are you referring particularly to verse 19?

 

[thomas15]

We are about to be schooled by preterist critical thinking skills. Babylon of Rev ch 17-18 is code for Jerusalem. Don't be deterred by the fact that Jerusalem cannot be the mother of harlots because satan worship wasn't born in Jerusalem or for that matter any of the other details of Babylon that don't match Jerusalem.

 

[Yeshua1]

We are about to be schooled by preterist critical thinking skills. Babylon of Rev ch 17-18 is code for Jerusalem. Don't be deterred by the fact that Jerusalem cannot be the mother of harlots because satan worship wasn't born in Jerusalem or for that matter any of the other details of Babylon that don't match Jerusalem.

Rome fits that far better then Jerusalem!

 

[thomas15]

Rome fits that far better then Jerusalem!

Special insights are required to sort through all the allegory and spiritual stuff. It's apocalypse drama, need special training to decode.

 

[Yeshua1]

Special insights are required to sort through all the allegory and spiritual stuff.

Best to treat Prophecy as being literal, unless the bible itself describes it as being otherwise!

 

[Iconoclast]

Rome fits that far better then Jerusalem!

where does it say Rome was to be a faithful bride, who is playing the harlot?
the op is speaking of Zion.Was that in Rome?
Supply the scripture you used to arrive at your tweet

 

[thomas15]

Yeshua1, don't say I didn't warn you about the impending lesson from the school of (PCT) preterist critical thinking.

 

[Yeshua1]

where does it say Rome was to be a faithful bride, who is playing the harlot?
the op is speaking of Zion.Was that in Rome?
Supply the scripture you used to arrive at your tweet

Harlot and Whore in Revelation was Rome.....

 

[Iconoclast]

Harlot and Whore in Revelation was Rome.....

says who?
Do you have any scripture?...no you dont.
Did you deal with the Op.?
Zion?
Your tweets are useless unless you can give scriptural support.
What you or I say has no value unless there is a scriptural base for any claim.

 

[Yeshua1]

says who?
Do you have any scripture?...no you dont.
Did you deal with the Op.?
Zion?
Your tweets are useless unless you can give scriptural support.
What you or I say has no value unless there is a scriptural base for any claim.

Jerusalem is the city that will have the fountain of grace in it when Messiah returns!
Zechariah 13:1 so cannot be the harlot of end times

 

[asterisktom]

Are you referring particularly to verse 19?

As far as the places are concerned, yes. I think it was Matthew Poole's commentary where I first read this. The more I studied out the context of the chapter, and extending many chapters before, the more the pieces seemed to fit.

More later, but for some reason my laptop cannot get the wifi in this hotel this evening and it is too much to type on this phone

 

[asterisktom]

We are about to be schooled by preterist critical thinking skills. Babylon of Rev ch 17-18 is code for Jerusalem. Don't be deterred by the fact that Jerusalem cannot be the mother of harlots because satan worship wasn't born in Jerusalem or for that matter any of the other details of Babylon that don't match Jerusalem.

My OP here is not specifically preterist. As I wrote to rlvaughn, I first came across this association of Isa. 66 with Acts in the Commentary of Matthew Poole.

 

[thomas15]

My OP here is not specifically preterist. As I wrote to rlvaughn, I first came across this association of Isa. 66 with Acts in the Commentary of Matthew Poole.

Matthew Poole is code for Kenneth Gentry

 

[asterisktom]

Matthew Poole is code for Kenneth Gentry

Rather simplistic. Are you serious?

 

[thomas15]

Rather simplistic. Are you serious?

Rather obvious. Are you replacement?

 

[thomas15]

Did you ever notice, Our Lord said in Matthew 5:17-18 that until heaven and earth disappears, not the smallest detail of the law and the prophets would be abolished, that is until it all is accomplished. Have you ever noticed this? Has heaven and earth disappeared yet? Have all of the smallest details of the law and the prophets been realized yet?

 

[asterisktom]

Did you ever notice, Our Lord said in Matthew 5:17-18 that until heaven and earth disappears, not the smallest detail of the law and the prophets would be abolished, that is until it all is accomplished. Have you ever noticed this? Has heaven and earth disappeared yet? Have all of the smallest details of the law and the prophets been realized yet?

Thank you. You are making my point. But for better understanding we should look at the following verse as well.

"17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

Thomas, are you obeying the "smallest details of the Law"? Are you wearing mixed garments? Are you tithing everything you have? Are you going to Jerusalem three times a year? Are we still stoning disobedient children to death?

This is the point that I am raising, that we are past all of that. Yet - according to the passage - all of the Law and the Prophets is fully in force until that point in which none of it is in force.

As far as the Law in your passage is concerned it is either all or nothing.

 

[Iconoclast]

Jerusalem is the city that will have the fountain of grace in it when Messiah returns!
Zechariah 13:1 so cannot be the harlot of end times

Oh really!
First, I want to thank you for offering a verse which we always urge you to do, you offered one although you are not using it correctly.
Let's see
Second...13:1 mentions Jerusalem, that is correct. The OP. Is speaking of Zion which you have not commented on.
Third...you suggest that it will have a fountain of grace in it...when Messiah returns??????

Jesus Himself spoke of Zech13..
.as fulfilled at the Cross which you did not know, or ignore as you insert a futuristic view that is foreign to the text
Mt.26:31,mk14:27
The Messiah has already come to accomplish redemption having inaugurated the Kingdom.
This is the danger of just posting ideas from left field with no scripture backing you up.
Even when you might suggest something about the grace of God, and be on the right side of the issue, if you do not use scripture correctly you post is not valid.
Try answering the OP and comment on the actual topic

 

[thomas15]

Thank you. You are making my point. But for better understanding we should look at the following verse as well.

"17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

Thomas, are you obeying the "smallest details of the Law"? Are you wearing mixed garments? Are you tithing everything you have? Are you going to Jerusalem three times a year? Are we still stoning disobedient children to death?

This is the point that I am raising, that we are past all of that. Yet - according to the passage - all of the Law and the Prophets is fully in force until that point in which none of it is in force.

As far as the Law in your passage is concerned it is either all or nothing.

I'm a sinner saved by grace for faith Jesus work on the cross, not because of anything I can do, would like to do or have done or due to my fantastic luck living in the time after the cross.

I'm not the one that thinks that we are in the kingdom promised in the law and prophets and I'm not the one that thinks that all or even most prophecy is fulfilled. By faith I expect that Jehovah will keep his promises to the absolute letter made to the son's of Abraham/Isaac/Jacob.

My Bible teaches that when Jesus returns it will be quite an event on the scope of the flood of Noah, not something that is missed by those who are actively looking for His return centuries later. If I were to think that Jehovah changed His mind about promises made to the Jews then based on what behavioral traits of the 21st century church do I think he will keep his promises to me?