Islam trying to be the worlds pariah

[Joseph_Botwinick]

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Answer these question with a yes or no:

1. Regardless of the historical past of Islam, and the current state of radical Islam, have you not been shown evidence that there are Muslims who no longer wish to interpret their Koran in an extremists fashion, who want to embrace the western ideas of pluralism, and leave terrorism behind?

2. Is this a good thing for them to embrace western pluralism and leave terrorism and extremism behind that should be encouraged?

One does not have to accept the Koran or Islam in order to want Muslims to become more moderate in their understanding of their religion. Who knows? With them opening up to the western ideals of pluralism, it might even open up more opportunities for us to witness to them. It is certainly less likely to happen as long as they cling to an extremists, supremecist view of the Koran. Why not encourage moderation for the sake of our kids and for the sake of opening up opportunities to witness to them?

Joseph Botwinick

Yes or No?

Joseph Botwinick </font>[/QUOTE]Answer the Questions: Yes or No?

Joseph Botwinick </font>[/QUOTE]I am hardly the religious left. Answer the questions. Yes or No?

Joseph Botwinick </font>[/QUOTE]Tim,

Since CMG has now avoided answering these questions several times, perhaps you would like to take a stab at them. Yes or No? That is all I need.

Joseph Botwinick

 

[Timtoolman]

actually I havce answered one of them. I don't believe all are terrorist or that all would do harm. I do believe that in reading the Koran you must hate or kill those that are not islamic. I believe from the info I have read that most who are islamic do hate us but because they live here or are the minority they just are not stepping forward proclaiming it. Just like I don'e see them denouncing in numbers the terrorist. they will say yeah it is wrong but follow it up with a statement that america has brought it on themselves or some other excuse for the terrorist. When 9/11 happened Joespeph we had arabs on the news eveyday (here in Detroit) for weeks.

We are just disagreeing on them as a whole. Ithink the majority hate us and would turn on us if they could. Now that does not mean I am not to love them or pray for thme or that I am justified in hating them. It is just my opinioln gathered from the info I have.

 

[Timtoolman]

And your answer to number 2 is...Yes I think we should modernilize them. Give them indoor plumbing, a tv and vcr and they will slowly forsake thier ways of the koran. Its called materialism. It works against us, no?

 

[LadyEagle]

I do not forget that Mohammed Atta, one of the 19 hijackers, was from a very wealthy family and was an engineer who had lived in the West for some time, as many do.

Poverty has little to do with it. There are many impoverished people in the world who do not turn themselves into human homicidal bombs. It's the religion.

 

[Timtoolman]

Thanks LE for the news flash, there are always esceptions. Take them out of proverty and there is a good chance you will tgake the fight out of them. Poor and needyis a good breeding ground for people to follow a cult or some type of whacko leader.
By the way this is my opinion I think it stands pretty good. I continuely try to look at the whole or the majority. You and joeseph want to argue the norm with me it seems.

 

[LadyEagle]

Well, the G8 just decided to throw another $3 billion dollars at the poor Islamic Palestinians and this is the thanks they got:

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