Tell me if there was a time in your life where you sat down before the Lord and you were able to remember every sin you ever committed in your entire life time, confess them all to the Lord and then repent of each and every one of them, each on an individual basis. That is what it means to "repent of all your sins." It is a religion of works." (and all of that of course was to be saved)
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isn't the ULTIMATE Source of salvation In Classic Arminianism Ourselves?
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Please read carefully. Show me a single verse in the NT where it commands an unsaved person to repent of all his sins.
There is no such command.
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: (Acts 17:30)
There is no need to redefine the word "repent" to your liking. It does not say "to repent of all your sins, and it never did.
You just added into the discussion part about"repenting of all sins" as a requirement to becomeing a Christian...
Think question was is repentance actually part of the Gospel message for today? or was it just for Gospel/Acts time?
Think verses made it pretty clear that repentance is still for today, not to repent for each sin ever done, but to have a "change of mind" towards us being sinners, and needing the Lord jesus as our saviour...
Unless one repents of his own self rightousness, cannot come to jesus and have His rightousness instead opf our own... We will not see the need for it unless we repent...
No, I have had two questions. This question "repenting of all your sins" you will find back in post #109, the other is further back than that.You just added into the discussion part about"repenting of all sins" as a requirement to becomeing a Christian...
Yes, that was my original question.Think question was is repentance actually part of the Gospel message for today? or was it just for Gospel/Acts time?
There may be a message somewhere like that. But where is that found in the epistles? I don't find it in the gospel message. I don't believe it is part of the gospel and for good reason.Think verses made it pretty clear that repentance is still for today, not to repent for each sin ever done, but to have a "change of mind" towards us being sinners, and needing the Lord jesus as our saviour...
That is not a verse from the NT, especially not from the epistles. That is not what the gospels say. You may have some truth there. But that is not the gospel, per se.Unless one repents of his own self rightousness, cannot come to jesus and have His rightousness instead opf our own... We will not see the need for it unless we repent...
Jesus did say we have to repent, but many misinterpret what "repent" means.
Luke 13:1 There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices.
2 And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?
3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?
5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
Repent does not mean to stop sinning, because none of us ever completely stops sinning, even if we try.
The meaning of repent is shown by what I have underlined. These persons were under the false impression that because some men had been killed by Pilate, and because a wall had fallen on eighteen men, this was evidence that they were terrible sinners whom God punished. The Jews also believed this about those born blind, lame, or with other disabilities.
Jn 9:1 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
We see here that the disciples supposed this man's blindness was caused by sin, either his parent's, or his own.
And it was the same in Luke 13. These persons supposed that these unfortunate persons who were killed were great sinners. They also supposed or assumed they were not great sinners because no such misfortune had occured to them.
This is when Jesus told them they must repent. They must realize this belief is false. Just because bad things happen to some people does not mean they are worse sinners than others. And just because no misfortune had happened to them does not mean they were righteous and held God's favor. They needed to realize that they too were sinners and in danger of perishing.
This is what repentance means, to turn from the false belief that we are righteous and know and believe we are sinners in danger of hell. Only when a man realizes he is lost will he come to Christ for forgiveness.
Luke 13:1 There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices.
2 And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?
3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?
5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
Repent does not mean to stop sinning, because none of us ever completely stops sinning, even if we try.
The meaning of repent is shown by what I have underlined. These persons were under the false impression that because some men had been killed by Pilate, and because a wall had fallen on eighteen men, this was evidence that they were terrible sinners whom God punished. The Jews also believed this about those born blind, lame, or with other disabilities.
Jn 9:1 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
We see here that the disciples supposed this man's blindness was caused by sin, either his parent's, or his own.
And it was the same in Luke 13. These persons supposed that these unfortunate persons who were killed were great sinners. They also supposed or assumed they were not great sinners because no such misfortune had occured to them.
This is when Jesus told them they must repent. They must realize this belief is false. Just because bad things happen to some people does not mean they are worse sinners than others. And just because no misfortune had happened to them does not mean they were righteous and held God's favor. They needed to realize that they too were sinners and in danger of perishing.
This is what repentance means, to turn from the false belief that we are righteous and know and believe we are sinners in danger of hell. Only when a man realizes he is lost will he come to Christ for forgiveness.
This is why I asked not to take any quotes from the gospels or Acts. Scripture is taken out of context. Where in the epistles does it say to repent in order to get saved?This is what repentance means, to turn from the false belief that we are righteous and know and believe we are sinners in danger of hell. Only when a man realizes he is lost will he come to Christ for forgiveness.
This is why I asked not to take any quotes from the gospels or Acts. Scripture is taken out of context. Where in the epistles does it say to repent in order to get saved?
IF it says that we need to repent of our sins and come to Christ to be saved in Gospels/Acts/Epistles etc...
IF in the NT, why does it matter where it is commanded?
Unless you hold to more of an Ultra-Dispy view on the theology for the Church found in Epistles, especially paul, and not before that in the NT?
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This is why I asked not to take any quotes from the gospels or Acts. Scripture is taken out of context. Where in the epistles does it say to repent in order to get saved?
You've already been answered in this regard. That, and also as to your quest where one verse there is in all the Bible commanding men to repent.
Acts 17:30 is the answer.
preacher4truth
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IF it says that we need to repent of our sins and come to Christ to be saved in Gospels/Acts/Epistles etc...
IF in the NT, why does it matter where it is commanded?
Unless you hold to more of an Ultra-Dispy view on the theology for the Church found in Epistles, especially paul, and not before that in the NT?
He won't listen to you bro, and as soon as you give proof, he changes the rules.
Play him off.
Let's go on in edification on other threads and leave him behind. :wavey:
This is why I asked not to take any quotes from the gospels or Acts. Scripture is taken out of context. Where in the epistles does it say to repent in order to get saved?
Well, what do you interpret the word "repent" to mean? I certainly believe we must all acknowledge and believe we are sinners to be saved as Jesus told these persons in Luke 13, wouldn't you agree with that?
It doesn't say anywhere "to repent of your sins." If it does, please give me chapter and verse.IF it says that we need to repent of our sins and come to Christ to be saved in Gospels/Acts/Epistles etc...
IF in the NT, why does it matter where it is commanded?
Unless you hold to more of an Ultra-Dispy view on the theology for the Church found in Epistles, especially paul, and not before that in the NT?
You have no comprehension here??You've already been answered in this regard. That, and also as to your quest where one verse there is in all the Bible commanding men to repent.
Acts 17:30 is the answer.
Where in this verse does it say one must "repent of their sins"?
It doesn't.
No, the incident in Luke 13 was very specific and he was referring to a specific situation. It is a passage often taken out of its context. The NT, especially the epistles, stresses "believe" on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved, not repent. Most have a wrong concept of repent.Well, what do you interpret the word "repent" to mean? I certainly believe we must all acknowledge and believe we are sinners to be saved as Jesus told these persons in Luke 13, wouldn't you agree with that?
Repentance is a change of mind with respect to one's attitude with God.
Once my attitude toward God was rebellious. Then I believed in Christ.
Now my attitude toward God is one of obedience. My mind; my attitude toward God has been changed. That is what repentance is. Repentance is the flip side of faith. When one believes he repents. He cannot repent without believing. If you believe in Christ you have repented. They go hand in hand. You can't have one without the other. Thus the epistles don't even mention repentance in the context of salvation. It is inherent in the word "faith," or "believe."
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You have no comprehension here??
Where in this verse does it say one must "repent of their sins"?
It doesn't.
You asked for any verse in the Bible that commands men to repent.
I gave it to you. Acts 17:30.
"Whoop, there it is!!!"
Then you added the "repent of their sins part" after I, and others gave you an answer you weren't ready for, obviously because you were unaware of these texts.
You've been answered according to your request. Many times.
Repentance is necessary to salvation.
Your struggle with this is evident. I mean, how dare we actually supercede your request!? In rebuttal, you change the rules and redefine terms! Indicative of your losing.
Yet you continue the cycle, and it always ends here. We've answered you, friend.
Let's see the next rule change!
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preacher4truth
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You have no comprehension here??
Where in this verse does it say one must "repent of their sins"?
It doesn't.
More personal attacks. :thumbsup:
You asked for any verse in the Bible that commands men to repent.
I gave it to you. Acts 17:30.
"Whoop, there it is!!!"
Then you added the "repent of their sins part" after I, and others gave you an answer you weren't ready for, obviously because you were unaware of these texts.
You've been answered according to your request. Many times.
Repentance is necessary to salvation.
Your struggle with this is evident. I mean, how dare we actually supercede your request!? In rebuttal, you change the rules and redefine terms! Indicative of your losing.
Yet you continue the cycle, and it always ends here. We've answered you, friend.
Let's see the next rule change!
:laugh: :wavey: :love2:
I never changed any rule. Go back to post #109 for the original post. That was a long time ago.
preacher4truth
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I never changed any rule. Go back to post #109 for the original post. That was a long time ago.
Yeah sure!!!
You added the "repent of their sins" part.
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NO, tired of asking the same question over and over again.More personal attacks. :thumbsup:
Where in Acts 17:20 does it say one must repent of all their sins?
It doesn't.
No false allegations please. I never changed a thing.Yeah sure!!!
You added the "repent of their sins" part.
:thumbsup:
You are confused.
I have asked two questions in this thread and you are confusing the two.
1. Where in the epistles does it say repentance is necessary for salvation.
2. Where in the NT does it say that one must repent of their sins in order to be saved.
preacher4truth
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NO, tired of asking the same question over and over again.
Where in Acts 17:20 does it say one must repent of all their sins?
It doesn't.
That's because it's 17:30 pal!!! :love2:
And you added the "all your sins" part!!!!!!!!!!!
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preacher4truth
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No false allegations please. I never changed a thing.
You are confused.
I have asked two questions in this thread and you are confusing the two.
1. Where in the epistles does it say repentance is necessary for salvation.
2. Where in the NT does it say that one must repent of their sins in order to be saved.
Acts 17:30. Champ.
Again, you looked for the repent part, once we supplied it? You then added the "repent of their sins" part.
Anyone can go back and look!
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