Israel disengagement - A democracy killing itself

[Enoch]

Originally posted by KenH:
That land belongs to Palestine and as long as the Palestinians behave themselves they should be sovereign over it.

How did you come to this conclusion?

 

[just-want-peace]

How did you come to this conclusion?

Was wondering the same thing!!

 

[KenH]

The Israelis are pulling out of Gaza and I have not heard of Egypt trying to reclaim it. Thus it belongs to the Palestinians once the Israelis pull out. If Egypt wants it back, then it should say so.

www.merip.org/palestine-israel_primer/un-partition-plan-pal-isr.html

 

[Enoch]

Ken you are not answering the question. Why do you think it belongs to the Palestinians?

Do you know the history of the land?

Originally posted by KenH:
That land belongs to Palestine

 

[KenH]

Originally posted by Enoch:
Do you know the history of the land?

Yep. Did you read the article I linked?

I have answered your question. If you don't like the answer, then that's just tough. That's your problem, not mine.

 

[Enoch]

Ken please show me where you answered the question of why it belongs to the Palestinians?

 

[Enoch]

To make it easier for you without typing out your conclusion, maybe you could cut and paste from your link where it says the land belongs to the Palestinians. Since that is where you got your facts.

I truly am tyring to understand where you are coming from.

 

[KenH]

"In 1949, the war between Israel and the Arab states ended with the signing of armistice agreements. The country once known as Palestine was now divided into three parts, each under separate political control. The State of Israel encompassed over 77 percent of the territory. Jordan occupied East Jerusalem and the hill country of central Palestine (the West Bank). Egypt took control of the coastal plain around the city of Gaza (the Gaza Strip)."

As I said, I have not heard that Egypt wants it back.

 

[Enoch]

But Ken we are talking about the Palestinians who you claim the land belongs to. We are not discussing the Egyptians.

 

[Enoch]

Ken can you explain your answer?

Israeli Troops Pull Resisters Out of Synagogue

August 18: Israeli troops and police outside the Kfar Darom synagogue.

Fox News

KFAR DAROM, Gaza Strip — Israeli security forces were carrying Jewish activists out of synagogues in Neve Dekalim (search) and Kfar Darom on Thursday as they tried to clear out hard-line settlements where some protestors were refusing to be evicted.

During day two of forcible removal of settlers from the region, a standoff with about 1,500 teenage extremists continued at the Gaza Strip's largest synagogue in Neve Dekalim. Men inside were lying on the floor with arms linked to make it harder for troops to carry them out. Some were throwing water on the faces of the security forces and hitting the soldiers who were trying to remove the protestors with as little force as possible.

The history of Kfar Darom goes back to 1946, before the establishment of the state of Israel. Two years later, settlers there held off the Egyptian military for three months during Israel's war of independence.

"The closest thing to Kfar Darom in the United States is the Alamo. Imagine pulling people out of this place," Dore Gold, the former Israeli ambassador to the United Nations, told FOX News. "They are heroes of Israel and we owe them a great deal after they are pulled out of their homes."

President Bush is receiving frequent updates from his staff on developments in the Gaza Strip, White House spokeswoman Dana Perino told reporters in Crawford, Texas, on Thursday.

In one house, a husband and wife lay on the floor, shrieking and clutching their small children. A soldier participating in the evacuation of a religious school suddenly disobeyed orders and was quickly carried away by troops.

Troops also burst into a nursery school crowded with protesters. People sang and danced as the troops entered, and about two dozen young children were playing with toys. Troops quickly cleared out the building.

Moti Cohen, who had come from Jerusalem to be with the settlers, said protesters have hoarded sand bags and cans of foam spray for the confrontation at Kfar Darom's synagogue. A large banner draped over the facade read: "For the Lord will not abandon His people or abandon His land."

 

[Enoch]

The Israelis are pulling out of Gaza and I have not heard of Egypt trying to reclaim it. Thus it belongs to the Palestinians once the Israelis pull out. If Egypt wants it back, then it should say so.

"In 1949, the war between Israel and the Arab states ended with the signing of armistice agreements. The country once known as Palestine was now divided into three parts, each under separate political control. The State of Israel encompassed over 77 percent of the territory. Jordan occupied East Jerusalem and the hill country of central Palestine (the West Bank). Egypt took control of the coastal plain around the city of Gaza (the Gaza Strip)."

As I said, I have not heard that Egypt wants it back.

But Ken we are talking about the Palestinians who you claim the land belongs to. We are not discussing the Egyptians. How does your answer make that the Palestinians?

 

[KenH]

Egypt controlled Gaza.

When attacked, Israel took Gaza from Egypt.

Israel is pulling out of Gaza and no longer wants to control it.

The Palestinians are left in Gaza.

Egypt has not indicated that it wants Gaza back.

The Palestinians will now control Gaza after all of the Israelis are gone.

The land belongs to whomever controls it.

 

[Enoch]

Thank you Ken!

Ken are you saying that the Gaza only belongs to the Palestinians because Israel is giving it to them currently?

Or

Are you saying it belonged to them previously and it’s their land?

I hope I’m clear?

 

[KenH]

It is theirs because Israel is leaving it to them currently.

Have a nice evening.

 

[Enoch]

Praise the Lord Ken! I am delighted in my spirit by your answer. I thought you meant something entirely different. Although we disagree on the Gaza pullout I'm glad there isn't more. Thank you for taking the time to make it clearer. Goodnight!

 

[Enoch]

17 Gaza Settlements Evacuated 4 left

Who would have thought such a day would come when we would see Jewish soldiers storming a Synagogue dragging out Jews. Jews against Jews.

An Ultra-Orthodox Jewish settler weeps as he is escorted out of the synagogue of the Jewish settlement of Neve Dekalim Thursday Aug. 18, 2005.

Jewish settlers pray for the last time in their synagogue before Israeli policemen and soliders storm the Neve Dekalim settlement in the Gush Katif, August 18, 2005.

Israeli troops remove Jewish opponents of the Gaza's pullout by force from a synagogue at the settlement of Neve Dekalim, Gaza Strip, August 18, 2005.

Eviction Troops to Halt to Honor the Sabbath
10:33 Aug 19, '05 / 14 Av 5765

(IsraelNN.com) The expulsion of Gush Katif residents will halt on Friday afternoon in honor of the Sabbath, IDF officials report. The


expulsion will resume next week, following the termination of the Sabbath.