Israel Says "No More"

They would come back with their 5 year olds with bombs strapped to their backs. Your error is to assume that Statehood is going to appease them. Make no mistake, Hamas' charter is still the same as it ever was.

Joseph Botwinick

 

their charter's only a scrap of paper. what good is it if popular opinion's turned? that's what happened to the PA, n it cld happen to the Hamas as well.

in any case, the option to nuke'm's still good, if they shd send their toddlers over.

so far, the only tactic that's been tried is to turn off their electricity n water, assassinate their leaders, broadbrush them as crazed terrorists, n deny them all political legitimacy.

perhaps it's time to shock n awe, the other way.

 

You forgot the Gaza Pullout of 05, and the Peace plan of 01, the prisoner exchanges, appeasements, and numerous attempts by Israel to make peace. This has never worked. Hamas is a terrorist organization whose stated goal is to destroy Israel and kill Jews, and until they change their minds about that, I see no reason for Israel to give them any legitimacy at all. They are not a partner in peace, only an enemy in war. If you believe otherwise, you are very naieve and ignorant.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Forever SIH, here is what is on Palestinian TV - Take a look:

http://www.pmw.org.il/tv%20part3.html

 

they all seem very angry or something. i wonder why.

most people wld just go on a vacation or move to another city somewhere, maybe Jerusalem, Eilat, or Natanya.

 

maybe i'm not as bright, but if the offer was so genuine n generous, Hamas must be so mindless; so why wld anyone in Palestine want to vote for them?

was there some landgrabbing or assassinations going on behind the back while the hand of peace was being offered?

as i see it, it's one accusation n counteraccusation after another. n so it goes ad infinitum, ad nauseum. for every picture of stupidity n brutality on the one side, don't u see the mirror situated on the other end?

what i'm saying is this, someone better think outta the box or it will simply go on. n MAYBE that's exactly what some people want, bash the Hizbollah n Hamas to bits n so pique Iran into action, n draw Indonesia (which seems to be under a serious media blackout of the Mideast, preferring to highlight ONLY their tsunami) n perhaps China n N Korea as well.

maybe it's the only way to force an Armageddon in which the arm of Uncle Sam will be revealed; or maybe it's the only way to precipitate the Rapture. can someone illuminate me on where this is headed, cos yeah, believe it or not, i'm feeling increasingly naive n ignorant! :Fish:

 

Actually, there was some land giving when they voted for Hamas. You might not have paid very close attention, but last year, the IDF forced the Jewsih people out of their homes in the Gaza and gave the land to the Palestinians. The IDF also intervened on the behalf of Palestinian teens who were being stoned by Israeli extremists who were angry about the land deal.

Actually, it is Israel gives land to the Palestinians, the Palestinians send their children in to blow themselves up and kill Jews and elect Hamas. To not acknowledge the extraordinary lengths Israel has gone to in order to achieve peace and a two state solution is to be blinded by anti-semitic hatred or just be too ignorant of the facts to speak intelligently about the situation.

What do you suggest? Another cease fire? Another land deal? Another prisoner exchange for hostages? I think it is probably time to put that stupid kind of thinking back in the box and get back to some common sense. You should never negotiate with terrorists. It is not up to Israel, in my mind, to make peace until Hamas and Hezbollah prove that they want to make peace. Thus far, they have proven over and over again that the exact opposite is true.

I am ok with killing and defeating terrorists.

We are possibly heading for WW3 right now as we speak.

Joseph Botwinick

 

The solution is quite simple: If Hamas and Hezbollah would surrender and disarm then this current war could end today. Otherwise, the Israeli military needs to continue on until both of those Islamofascist groups are wiped off the face of the earth.

 

or vice versa, whichever happens first.

but personally, i have scant desire for WWIII. n doesn't this sound like the Hamas charter: "Israeli military needs to continue on until both of those Islamofascist groups are wiped off the face of the earth"--only in reverse?

o yeah, it was all over the news. yes, there's plenty of action n rhetoric fr both sides, i know. i'm just surprised that seeing one viewpoint or story necessitates denying the other.

what do i suggest? i think i just did ... but it was viewed as naive (which is fine w me).

as for getting back into the box n continuing to let each side demand the other side "prove that they want to make peace," why does it sound like a marriage gone awry? u know, i'm not speaking to the other party until ...

what can i say, all the power to each side? i guess it's not my prerogative to sue for peace or change the world ... just thot to throw in some ideas as the drums of war begin to roll.

 

No, as Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorist organizations. Israel is not.

Those in favor of peace want to see terrorist groups wiped out.

 

IMO, anybody with two brain cells to rub together would want to see terrorist groups wiped out. They won't be, though. There are plenty more where these two came from. :tear:

 

Moving this to Politics since it is on page 4.

 

But we know that won't happen. I understand that in 2004 the UN passed a resolution calling for Hezbollah to disarm.
Yesterday, I watched the no eggs Anan in the news delivering his speech.
Why doesn't the UN enforce that resolution ?

 

Looks to me like Israel is enforcing it.

 

n all it takes is a label: "terrorist"?

 

I suggest that you get up to speed on who Hezbollah and Hamas are.

In case you aren't aware of some recent history:

Israel withdrew from southern Lebananon several years ago and Hezbollah repaid this move by attacking Israel.

Israel withdrew from Gaza last year and Hamas repaid this move by attacking Israel.

I was glad to see Israel give these two groups the opportunity to renounce terrorism and join the civilized world. They both refused to do so and now must be destroyed for the sake of long term peace.

 

without denying what u've said, i suggest that there may be 2 sides to this story.

during the lulls in confrontation, did Israel withdraw fr the West Bank or dismantle the wall or release its detainees, etc.? maybe they did, but i didn't see it in the papers.

then again, there may be just 1 political reality after all ... at least in some worldviews.

 

If you really think that the terrorists have a respectable side to this story, well, you can certainly think that way if you wish.

 

my approach is to weigh the propaganda fr both sides. so far, sadly, i can't say both sides have been telling the whole story.

just labelling one's view as "terrorist" or "islamophobic" doesn't make it more or less respectable. it's funny how the pictures are trotted out by both sides ... children maimed, women raped or blown apart, limbs lying all around, impassioned politicians baring teeth n threats, etc. both sides claim to have the truth.

n perhaps they do, just that much fr their blinkered perspectives.


EDIT: interesting bit by Pat Buchanan: http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51164

 

So you are equating Israel with Hezbollah and Hamas, eh?