Israel & The Land

[timtofly]

I disagree. The “Throne of Glory” is in Heaven. Jesus had states in Matthew 25 that He shall come in the air, the Trumpets shall sound, the angels shall gather His elect and immediately follows the great Throne judgment. That is in Heaven

The passage you quoted says nothing of a throne upon the earth, nor is Jerusalem mentioned.

peace to you

So they let sinners into heaven?

The GWT has always existed. Moses saw it. David wrote about it. It will be seen at the 6th Seal.

The event of Judgment is still over a thousand years away at the least. Matthew 25 is not the GWT, because it says that the angels are on the earth, bringing people to Jerusalem to be judged. Sinners are not taken to heaven to be judged.

Matthew 25 never states they are physically dead. They are physically alive on the earth when judged.

 

[canadyjd]

So they let sinners into heaven?

The GWT has always existed. Moses saw it. David wrote about it. It will be seen at the 6th Seal.

The event of Judgment is still over a thousand years away at the least. Matthew 25 is not the GWT, because it says that the angels are on the earth, bringing people to Jerusalem to be judged. Sinners are not taken to heaven to be judged.

Matthew 25 never states they are physically dead. They are physically alive on the earth when judged.

Matthew 25 does not say angels are “in the earth bringing people to Jerusalem” to be judged. It says the angels collect God’s elect from the earth.

Paul states those alive at the coming of Jesus will be transformed in an instant, meet Jesus in the air, go to heaven.

The GTJ is in heaven. The throne of Jesus is in heaven. Jesus comes back to collect the elect to go to heaven, afterward comes the GTJ in heaven.

There is no 1000 year reign on the earth. There is no rebuilt Temple, there is no renewal of the sacrificial system,

peace to you

 

[timtofly]

Matthew 25 does not say angels are “in the earth bringing people to Jerusalem” to be judged. It says the angels collect God’s elect from the earth.

Paul states those alive at the coming of Jesus will be transformed in an instant, meet Jesus in the air, go to heaven.

The GTJ is in heaven. The throne of Jesus is in heaven. Jesus comes back to collect the elect to go to heaven, afterward comes the GTJ in heaven.

There is no 1000 year reign on the earth. There is no rebuilt Temple, there is no renewal of the sacrificial system,

peace to you

You are not even a consistent amillennial. There is no heaven nor earth. The GWT is outside of creation.

How do these sinners physically move before natural physical death to heaven?

Angels gathered redeemed from heaven and earth. Now you claim the lost go to heaven for judgment.

Matthew 25 is not talking about souls, but actual humans judged in Jerusalem to see if they will be redeemed or not.

 

[canadyjd]

You are not even a consistent amillennial. There is no heaven nor earth. The GWT is outside of creation.

How do these sinners physically move before natural physical death to heaven?

Angels gathered redeemed from heaven and earth. Now you claim the lost go to heaven for judgment.

Matthew 25 is not talking about souls, but actual humans judged in Jerusalem to see if they will be redeemed or not.

There are three heavens, according to Paul, as he stated he was taken up to the third heaven.

First heaven… here on earth where the birds fly.

Second heaven… open space where the stars are.

Third heaven.. where God dwells, where Jesus is right now and where the great throne judgment takes place, according to scripture.

Matthew 25 does not say the redeemed are gathered from “heaven and earth” as you claim. It says they are gathered from the earth.

Paul tells us those alive when Christ returns will be transformed and rise to meet Christ in the air and the dead will be resurrected to do the same. We meet Christ together in the air.

It is clear from Revelation the GTJ takes place in heaven.

Matthew 25 says absolutely nothing about humans being judged in Jerusalem on earth. It isn’t there. You must supply that by your theology just like you claimed Matthew states the angels rather the redeemed from heaven to be judged on the earth. That too isn’t there.

peace to you

 

[timtofly]

There are three heavens, according to Paul, as he stated he was taken up to the third heaven.

First heaven… here on earth where the birds fly.

Second heaven… open space where the stars are.

Third heaven.. where God dwells, where Jesus is right now and where the great throne judgment takes place, according to scripture.

Matthew 25 does not say the redeemed are gathered from “heaven and earth” as you claim. It says they are gathered from the earth.

Paul tells us those alive when Christ returns will be transformed and rise to meet Christ in the air and the dead will be resurrected to do the same. We meet Christ together in the air.

It is clear from Revelation the GTJ takes place in heaven.

Matthew 25 says absolutely nothing about humans being judged in Jerusalem on earth. It isn’t there. You must supply that by your theology just like you claimed Matthew states the angels rather the redeemed from heaven to be judged on the earth. That too isn’t there.

peace to you

I never claimed Matthew 25 said they were gathered from heaven and earth.

They don't even join the church in Paradise. They inherit the earth. They are not dead people physically resurrected. They are living humans from Jacob, redeemed out of Adam's dead corruptible flesh into God's permanent incorruptible physical body. 2 Corinthians 5:1 applies to the sheep.

Matthew 25:31 does not take place in heaven, so you have to add that to Scripture to get your eschatology to work.

When Jesus comes to the earth with His angels what other city do you propose other than Jerusalem? See Zechariah 14.