Israeli Study Finds Fully Vaccinated People are at “Greater Risk of Hospitalization”, yada yada

[Scott Downey]

New Israeli Study Finds Fully Vaccinated People are at “Greater Risk of Hospitalization” and 13 TIMES MORE LIKELY to Catch Covid-19 Than Those Who Have Recovered and Have Natural Immunity | Conservative Angle

They simply are stating the obvious that natural immunity is superior to the vaccine, but then they say 13 times more like to get hospitalized after vaccination that those who have natural immunity.
So again evidence the vaccine is not going to keep you from getting covid and the effect may be the ADE doctors are worrying about where the vaccine makes the covid infection worse now with the covid variants.

The talk from the CDC and Fauci is their vaccine is superior to natural immunity, but I never believed it.
My doctor even said the same thing, get the vaccine your totally immune, get covid, you will get covid again.

They early on had even said there was no natural immunity to covid or it was lousy and everyone had to get the vaccine. All that was of course irrational talking points.

study report here
Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced immunity: reinfections versus breakthrough infections (medrxiv.org)

 

[Scott Downey]

People think logically, their vaccines are making antibodies to a specific singular spike protein to a virus which no longer exists.
It was designed to do just that one thing.
The virus has mutated and is mutating and always will mutate, the original virus is gone, they say the delta variant is what is spreading now.
Their vaccine is not so great if it ever was anymore.
There will be more different variants coming.
Corona viruses constantly mutate.

 

[nonaeroterraqueous]

I think it's more interesting that they noted that previously infected people had their immunity reduced by the vaccine.

"When allowing the infection to occur at any time before vaccination (from March 2020 to February 2021), evidence of waning natural immunity was demonstrated, though SARS-CoV-2 naïve vaccinees had a 5.96-fold (95% CI, 4.85 to 7.33) increased risk for breakthrough infection and a 7.13-fold (95% CI, 5.51 to 9.21) increased risk for symptomatic disease. SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees were also at a greater risk for COVID-19-related-hospitalizations compared to those that were previously infected."

 

[Scott Downey]

I think it's more interesting that they noted that previously infected people had their immunity reduced by the vaccine.

"When allowing the infection to occur at any time before vaccination (from March 2020 to February 2021), evidence of waning natural immunity was demonstrated, though SARS-CoV-2 naïve vaccinees had a 5.96-fold (95% CI, 4.85 to 7.33) increased risk for breakthrough infection and a 7.13-fold (95% CI, 5.51 to 9.21) increased risk for symptomatic disease. SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees were also at a greater risk for COVID-19-related-hospitalizations compared to those that were previously infected."

could be the ADE effect where the vaccine enhances the ability of viral variants to cause greater infections in the host.

Antibody Dependent Enhancement. Basically the vaccine becomes a trojan horse that the virus rides into your cells on.
If true, it's a time bomb.

 

[nonaeroterraqueous]

could be the ADE effect where the vaccine enhances the ability of viral variants to cause greater infections in the host.

Antibody Dependent Enhancement. Basically the vaccine becomes a trojan horse that the virus rides into your cells on.

Yes, I think you're right. This has to be ADE. No doubt about it.

I had been wondering if natural immunity could work equally well in spite of ADE. I guess not. I was thinking the number of ADE victims would be less the number of naturally infected/recovered. So much for that notion.

 

[Scott Downey]

Yes, I think you're right. This has to be ADE. No doubt about it.

I had been wondering if natural immunity could work equally well in spite of ADE. I guess not. I was thinking the number of ADE victims would be less the number of naturally infected/recovered. So much for that notion.

Antibody-dependent Enhancement (ADE) and Vaccines | Children's Hospital of Philadelphia (chop.edu)
Info on what is ADE. Dengue fever is a viral infection that people can have ADE problems.
The problem is ADE causes severe disease.
With Dengue fever, a different serotype of the virus (variant) subsequent infection brings it on

Most diseases do not cause ADE, but one of the best studied examples of a pathogen that can cause ADE is dengue virus. Dengue virus is one of the most common infections in the world, infecting hundreds of millions and killing tens of thousands of people each year. Unlike viruses like measles or mumps that only have one type, dengue virus has four different forms, called “serotypes.” These serotypes are very similar, but slight differences among them set the stage for ADE. If a person is infected by one serotype of dengue virus, they typically have mild disease and generate a protective immune response, including neutralizing antibodies, against that serotype. But, if that person is infected with a second serotype of dengue virus, the neutralizing antibodies generated from the first infection may bind to the virus and actually increase the virus’s ability to enter cells, resulting in ADE and causing a severe form of the disease, called dengue hemorrhagic fever.

 

[Reynolds]

New Israeli Study Finds Fully Vaccinated People are at “Greater Risk of Hospitalization” and 13 TIMES MORE LIKELY to Catch Covid-19 Than Those Who Have Recovered and Have Natural Immunity | Conservative Angle

They simply are stating the obvious that natural immunity is superior to the vaccine, but then they say 13 times more like to get hospitalized after vaccination that those who have natural immunity.
So again evidence the vaccine is not going to keep you from getting covid and the effect may be the ADE doctors are worrying about where the vaccine makes the covid infection worse now with the covid variants.

The talk from the CDC and Fauci is their vaccine is superior to natural immunity, but I never believed it.
My doctor even said the same thing, get the vaccine your totally immune, get covid, you will get covid again.

They early on had even said there was no natural immunity to covid or it was lousy and everyone had to get the vaccine. All that was of course irrational talking points.

study report here
Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced immunity: reinfections versus breakthrough infections (medrxiv.org)

Yeah, but you gotta get vaxed man. It's about an agenda. It's never been about what is best.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Yeah, but you gotta get vaxed man. It's about an agenda. It's never been about what is best.

Remember this is investigational vaccine not an inoculation … and it’s not even designed for the Delta variant. But yea, you have to get it. Let’s not focus instead on early treatment and immune wellness Who is zooming who?!?

 

[Scott Downey]

80% of UK is fully vaxxed with 2 or more doses.
Why most people who now die with Covid in England have had a vaccination | David Spiegelhalter and Anthony Masters | The Guardian

That article takes a very mild and odd view to the deaths, basically saying older people die of covid anyway, vaccinated or not as they have higher risk of death from covid, because they are old.

MailOnline headline on 13 June read: “Study shows 29% of the 42 people who have died after catching the new strain had BOTH vaccinations.” In Public Health England’s technical briefing on 25 June, that figure had risen to 43% (50 of 117), with the majority (60%) having received at least one dose.

It could sound worrying that the majority of people dying in England with the now-dominant Delta (B.1.617.2) variant have been vaccinated. Does this mean the vaccines are ineffective? Far from it, it’s what we would expect from an effective but imperfect vaccine, a risk profile that varies hugely by age and the way the vaccines have been rolled out.

Covid protection for the fully vaccinated is waning, UK study finds (cnbc.com)

Protection is dropping, dropping down even for those vaxxed.
As the virus keeps morphing, the vaccines will naturally fall of a cliff, eventually be worthless.

 

[Scott Downey]

Fully Vaccinated People to Dominate Third Wave of COVID-19 Deaths in UK, Warns Report - Vision Times

The authors predict that the “resurgence in both hospitalizations and deaths is dominated by those that have received two doses of the vaccine, comprising around 60% and 70% of the wave respectively. This can be attributed to the high levels of uptake in the most at-risk age groups, such that immunization failures account for more serious illness than unvaccinated individuals.”

“This shows that most deaths and admissions in a post-Roadmap resurgence are in people who have received two vaccine doses, even without vaccine protection waning or a variant emerging that escapes vaccines,” the document continues.

 

[Scott Downey]

UK sees highest COVID-19 deaths since March (yenisafak.com)
Deaths are trending higher even with 80% fully or more fully vaxxed, and potentially will continue to rise as the economy opens up again.

The UK on Tuesday reported its highest total of weekly coronavirus deaths since this March when the government began lifting major lockdown restrictions.

According to the Office for National Statistics, 652 deaths were reported in the week ending on Aug. 13, up 6.7% from the previous week.

Of the four nations that make up the UK, England had the highest number of deaths with 550, followed by 41 in Scotland, 40 in Northern Ireland, and 19 in Wales.

The figures said deaths from COVID-19 are now averaging 100 a day across the UK, with scientists warning this figure could potentially rise when children return to school next week.

 

[NewMusic]

I trust the government, and their news, zero. The stats you posted from various authorities are almost certainly not the proper numbers, meaning things are worse.