Sorry I have not seen it. Can you post some examples?
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Sorry I have not seen it. Can you post some examples?
Zaac
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The only reason I bring up what I do is because a lot of white people have a white privileged block that they believe absolves white people from ANY responsibility for the condition of non-Whites in this country as they generalize about Blacks and the black community.
So when the lot have talked about an entire group of people in the same way that slave owners did and about as disrespectfully, then expect me to shed some true history and not the whitewashed versions that sate our textbooks.
But white people played a part. It just is what it is.
The black experience was shaped by history. And the history of the United States was shaped by the white-run country we live in and in which Blacks were enslaved.
It was shaped by the white government’s war on drugs that was used to once again enslave the black men in families, while leaving the white hands that supplied the drugs free and sitting pretty.
White people often feel like they’re being judged for their ancestors’ sins, and this persecution complex really speaks volumes to how much people understand but won’t consciously acknowledge. White people know that slavery and Jim Crow left scars, and they know the way Blacks are treated in this country holds them back even if they can't bring themselves to say it.
But then we get a church in Birmingham and three little girls killed and the whole world sees.
But then we get an Edmund Pettis Bridge and a Bloody Sunday and the whole world sees.
But then we get a man shot in the back as he's running away in North Charleston, SC and the whole world sees.
But then we get a church in Charleston, SC and nine people murdered and the whole world sees.
But they want to throw off the chains of responsibility and come up with some explanation for black problems that don’t involve whites. You're darn skippy I'm gonna generalize and place part of the blame on white America. Because just like the rest of the world did during slavery and Jim Crow, I'm not blind. And can see the handprint of a racist culture written all over darn near everything in the United States whether or not white people in their privilege want to or not.
Stop talking about the Constitution and what our forefathers intended if you don't want folks talking about the fact that our forefathers also enslaved black people and treated them as less than the animals.
poncho
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Zaac
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Talk about hypocrisy, man your cup runneth over with it.
From all your babbling, I'm under the impression that your cup been ran over, again and again and again. Lay off that stuff.:thumbsup:
poncho
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I doubt you've ever been under any impression of your own.
Your fanatical use of party talking points and self deluding justifications makes me wonder if you can form any thought of your own anymore.
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Zaac
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And we're to believe that any of your conspiracy theories are impressions of your own. :laugh:
Zaac, you're a rabid dog barking at anyone who gets near you, regardless of their intent. Nobody is taking you seriously, and fewer listen every day. You are in the same camp as those you are supposedly "battling".
When it's you against the world, the smart money's on the world.
When it's you against the world, the smart money's on the world.
Zaac
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Bravo! Kudos!I read my name next to your name and nothing further because I know it's just a bunch of yawns.
IGNORE.
Yeah. You're ignoring me. :laugh: Sure you are.
I don't think it's a credible stance to deny there have been racist remarks on this board.
Ok well I have not denied anything. I do not know of any remarks made in the way the UOT stated. I asked for examples.
Forgot to address that, since the article mentioned it. For one, there is question as to whether he actually said that.
Even if he did, he would be one person with an ulterior motive (rather than all blacks just lapping it up for the "freebies", as commonly portrayed, a lot of them back then were suspicious of "government dependency" as a tactic).
But still, you have millions of southern Democrats, both the elected officials themselves, as well as the voting base, who already felt their nation was being taken from them and given to the minorities (in addition to them being the conservatives, who also talked the most about the Constitution, and were the most against "socialism").
Why would they all stay in a party changing like that, and suddenly figure "oh, let's keep giving them more of our nation, just to make them dependent?" What would the voters get out of that? (And again, the article does admit a lot of them left the party).
"By and large". I think people are listening to media figures (again, Sharpton and Jackson being the biggest ones people point at), and assuming this is what the entire race is saying. (And as far as the financial class, that is not just the blacks saying that, that is more a partisan thing).
I think one legitimate problem is when people start talking about "white privilege", which is a very strong term that makes it sound that no progress has been made in race at all, and putting something on those who may not be guilty of it, just because they supposedly happen to benefit in some way.
There are legitimate concerns out there they are addressing which the majority of the community might attest to, but again, the media often hypes these things up, and I think you all know that. And it's still not the same things as "blaming all their issues on another...". A middle class or even well off family that complains of some sort of discrimination is not blaming gang violence on whites or the rich, for that is not really "their" issue. The "race" consists of many different people with many different experiences and viewpoints.
And because terms like "white privilege" might somewhat unfairly put the whole race in the same pot, if people are concerned about "the truth", and claiming the ideological high ground, then people should not just do back to the other side what [they felt] them do to them. That's just being just as much in "error" as you say the other side is.
That's one of the biggest problems in this [highly charged] issue.
I don't know whether that is referring to the post you were quoting, or just all of his posts in general, but if that post, why is that "party talking points"? It's what happened in history (though it might happen to be cited by one party more). The opposite notion that blacks all are just "problem people" because they "don't want to work and just want handouts", and this one party is just using them to get votes is also a party talking point.
Also forgot to mention, great post by Baptist Believer!
Yea but we are talking about what is being said on this board. Also, you will find that by and large when you talk to blacks there are far too many who believe that garbage and only want what they can get from "the man".
Here is a good example of you yourself reading all of that and going right for the negative.
Since you don't see it. Find me a thread where there is a positive generalized statement about black people.
Most of the ones I've seen over my year on the board deal with their association with violence, single parent homes, abuse of welfare, reverse racism etc. You know this happened. At one point RD2 was on a real roll with this stuff.
Also, who has done all this "talking" to black people, that leads to that conclusion? How exactly do we determine "far too many", even?
Again, people are looking at what has been hyped up in the media. Even if not intentionally, it's taking a subset of angry, poorer people, as I said, and in seeing their concerns being highlighted, assuming this represents the entire "race". And also listening to those politicians supposedly "promising" them things.
People claim that these politicians are the real enemy they're attacking; not the race, but then please keep the race out of it, and don't generalize those politicians rhetoric to the people (and then blame the people for going along with it), for just like you, many are actually quite unhappy with and distrustful of the government!
Again, people are looking at what has been hyped up in the media. Even if not intentionally, it's taking a subset of angry, poorer people, as I said, and in seeing their concerns being highlighted, assuming this represents the entire "race". And also listening to those politicians supposedly "promising" them things.
People claim that these politicians are the real enemy they're attacking; not the race, but then please keep the race out of it, and don't generalize those politicians rhetoric to the people (and then blame the people for going along with it), for just like you, many are actually quite unhappy with and distrustful of the government!
Zaac
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And there are far too many white folks who believe that Blacks are more likely to rape and murder and steal, etc. Yet a large chunk of the folks on this board , on other conservative media and in the "conservative evangelical church" repeat the same racial stereotypes that they hear from FOX News and Rush and Sean and others.
As for white privilege, it is what it is. The majority of folks in the United States who are honest with themselves will admit that there is significant privilege in being white in America. Studies have been done on the socio-economics. It doesn't mean that every white person is ahead on every person of color.
But when all other things are equal, and counterparts are compared, there is privilege in being white in the United States.
As I've said before, look at who makes up the majority of the Forbes 400 in this country. Look at who the first 43 Presidents were. Look at who the majority of the Senators have been.
I mean seriously this country has been treating Blacks as less than a person since they were brought here. It's downright insulting for white people to think that they haven't gained an advantage over black people after they were enslaved for 400 years and then incarcerated to be slaves again because of racial profiling, a disparate justice system and a prison cottage industry thats making white men very wealthy.
So no. Until this country stops trying to change the subject and have a hard talk about racism and racial prejudice in this country, and white folks stop acting like there is nothing wrong, then expect things to keep heating up until they really explode.
There's not much doubt that he did. "Nigger" was an every day part of Johnson's vocabulary.
But he made sure the black vote was bought and succeeding generations of democrats have made sure it stayed bought.
Successful strategy, indeed. Far more successful that the fictitious
"Southern Strategy".
Find us one where there is a positive generalized statement about white people.
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