JC pennys Now 'officially" A gay friendly Company!

[Gina B]

There are SO many places like this, ones we don't even know yet still buy products from, that I wonder if it's possible.

Maybe we should just go with the ones we know of?

I'm curious as to whether or not a boycott of this nature ever worked. Generally, they just seem to be free advertising for the company.

Are there any examples over the last 20 years of a boycott for Christian purposes that actually worked?

I hate to say this is a matter of Christian liberty. If see know something is wrong and we knowingly support it, how can that be right?

Maybe this is part of what is included about Christians not being able to buy/sell towards the end. If one isn't self sufficient on their own land, etc., where CAN you do business?

Even paying our taxes supports ethics that go against Christianity, ie tax funded abortions, schools/colleges that teach against intelligent design, support of alternative lifestyles as normal, teach that marriage/love isn't needed for a couple, etc..

Where does it stop and start? Do we obey the government by paying our taxes, yet not shop at places that support non-Christian behavior? Do we give up and say "we can't do anything," especially when it appears we really can't?

Instead of voting for a Godly leader for this nation, do we vote for one candidate who is a Mormon over one who has even worse values because the third Christian candidate has little support and we want the lesser of two evils to win?

Have we gone downhill so much because Christians have allowed it to happen by not standing for their values, or are Christians expected to take this as a type of spiritual persecution and accept it quietly and meekly while still verbally proclaiming Christ?

What did Christians who were the minority in their countries do during Biblical times? Do we know? Is that our example? I don't know. I haven't studied enough to know. Why aren't our pastors teaching us how to live? Isn't that the point of having a pastor?

 

[DiamondLady]

It has become nearly impossible to AVOID companies that support gay rights, and contribute to their cause. For example: Who is your telephone provider? If you answer AT&T or Verizon you are contributing to the gay movement. Ever eat at McDonald's, Olive Garden, Applebee's or Red Lobster? You are contributing to the gay movement. Shopping at JCP isn't the only place ....how about not only Home Depot but Best Buy, Sears, Walgreens or Amazon.com? Do you take Bayer aspirin? Yup they too support the gay movement. Do you ever fly with an airline? Most of them support the gay movement. Who do you have your auto/home/health/life insuance with? Cigna, Allstate, State Farm, Progressive...ALL support the gay movement. Do you drink Coca-Cola products? Do you drive a Ford product? How about who provides your cable television services? Comcast and Time Warner both support the gay movement, as does Viacom who provides such programming at TVLand, Nickelodeon and other children's programming. Ever purchase Gerber products? Yes, they too support the gay movement. If the name G.E. or General Electric is on any of your appliances you have supported the gay movement. Ever shipped a package with UPS, then you've contributed to the gay movement.

This is just a small portion of corporations who contribute, sometimes very large sums...AT&T is one of the top 50 contributors to the gay movement...that we patronize, not knowing our dollars go to support the gay movement. So what is the answer here? Do we completely cut ourselves off from these places or do we adopt a different line?

 

[Berean]

It has become nearly impossible to AVOID companies that support gay rights, and contribute to their cause. For example: Who is your telephone provider? If you answer AT&T or Verizon you are contributing to the gay movement. Ever eat at McDonald's, Olive Garden, Applebee's or Red Lobster? You are contributing to the gay movement. Shopping at JCP isn't the only place ....how about not only Home Depot but Best Buy, Sears, Walgreens or Amazon.com? Do you take Bayer aspirin? Yup they too support the gay movement. Do you ever fly with an airline? Most of them support the gay movement. Who do you have your auto/home/health/life insuance with? Cigna, Allstate, State Farm, Progressive...ALL support the gay movement. Do you drink Coca-Cola products? Do you drive a Ford product? How about who provides your cable television services? Comcast and Time Warner both support the gay movement, as does Viacom who provides such programming at TVLand, Nickelodeon and other children's programming. Ever purchase Gerber products? Yes, they too support the gay movement. If the name G.E. or General Electric is on any of your appliances you have supported the gay movement. Ever shipped a package with UPS, then you've contributed to the gay movement.

This is just a small portion of corporations who contribute, sometimes very large sums...AT&T is one of the top 50 contributors to the gay movement...that we patronize, not knowing our dollars go to support the gay movement. So what is the answer here? Do we completely cut ourselves off from these places or do we adopt a different line?

I could not have stated it any better. Good post.

 

[webdog]

What's the connection? I don't shop at JC Penny to inform my biblical world view. I shop there because I can find clothes that fit at a good price. Every time I shop there I pay 8.25% in sales tax to my gay friendly county and state government. Should I refuse to pay sales tax, too?

...and we have a winner!

 

[Benjamin]

A boycott is a display of power, particularly economic power. Boycotts can work, but it takes a large enough group that is willing to draw a line at a certain point to make the ones who are overstepping the bounds of their negative and immoral influences on society to make a significant difference.

There indeed are moral lines that exist iin a civil society which cannot be crossed, ...believe it or not...!!! For instance, you wouldn’t see a national company promoting sex with children, adultery or polygamy to sell its products, the fact that there are people who engage in those types of sexual acts and it is a nation of free speech makes no difference; it would be economic suicide to advertise that way.

The way moral values in our society deteriorate is that the line is constantly pushed by those who wish promote acceptance of their values until people become so accustomed to it that they can take it a little further. The line just keeps being pushed further back. All one has to do is take note how sex on television has progressed. 40 years ago an advertisement promoting gay lifestyles and approval gay family units would have been economic suicide, but not today! Why? Well, part of the problem is we have Christians who won’t stand up and be a man of God and call a sin a sin no less refuse to take even the smallest step such as take their business elsewhere.

Rather they ask things like “what’s the connection” as if it doesn’t exist! They say, well, “if we can’t boycott ALL the companies that promote immoral values against our beliefs then we shouldn’t boycott any”. I guess no one has heard of the perfectionist fallacy, or considered the phrase about throwing out the baby with the bathwater?!? With reasoning like that you will get exactly what your logic brings you, an ever moving line moving further away from your values, …unopposed. Why not just throw out the welcoming mat?!?

Anyone that does not see an agenda at work here is in complete denial:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOiQYQsfPqg

Listen to them gloat. All one has to do is listen to JC Penny’s CEO speak for 10 seconds to see why this is happening. He is using the stage made available to him to promote his lifestyle and beliefs and anyone who would go about claiming it is “just” about marketing, well, that is like you saying “you only read Playboy for the articles”. You’d have to be an idiot to really believe that and buy into such nonsense!

 

[DiamondLady]

A boycott is a display of power, particularly economic power. Boycotts can work, but it takes a large enough group that is willing to draw a line at a certain point to make the ones who are overstepping the bounds of their negative and immoral influences on society to make a significant difference. I do not believe boycotts of large corporations work in today's society. Why not? Because you wouldn't know whether or not they'd really bowed to the boycott. Home Depot is a perfect example of this. AFA called for a boycott, many (including my husband and myself and our church), followed the call for a boycott. We did not shop at a Home Depot for almost two years. Our church closed its account with Home Depot, as did our personal business. We wrote letters and spoke to the store management. After this amount of time AFA came out and said they'd won, Home Depot agreed to stop supporting and promoting the gay movement. YET, just a short while ago, it was reported that Home Depot was right back doing what caused AFA to call for the boycott to begin with....they were doing children's workshops at gay events. So did the boycott work or was Home Depot just blowing smoke up the dresses of Christians so they'd back off? I vote for #2.

There indeed are moral lines that exist iin a civil society which cannot be crossed, ...believe it or not...!!! For instance, you wouldn’t see a national company promoting sex with children, adultery or polygamy to sell its products, the fact that there are people who engage in those types of sexual acts and it is a nation of free speech makes no difference; it would be economic suicide to advertise that way. That day will come, all of this is simply a move by Satan to desensitize the world so that when he comes to power and everything is a free for all, no one will have any misgivings or moral twinges....they'll accept it all gladly.

The way moral values in our society deteriorate is that the line is constantly pushed by those who wish promote acceptance of their values until people become so accustomed to it that they can take it a little further. God has foretold all these things in His Word. Can Christians stop it? No, I don't think so. We might slow it down, and I'm sure we can get folks to stop and think twice, but the truth of the matter is, Satan is wriggling his way into the lives of people who will follow him right down the daisy strewn path right into the pits of hell.The line just keeps being pushed further back. All one has to do is take note how sex on television has progressed. 40 years ago an advertisement promoting gay lifestyles and approval gay family units would have been economic suicide, but not today! Why? Well, part of the problem is we have Christians who won’t stand up and be a man of God and call a sin a sin no less refuse to take even the smallest step such as take their business elsewhere.

Rather they ask things like “what’s the connection” as if it doesn’t exist! They say, well, “if we can’t boycott ALL the companies that promote immoral values against our beliefs then we shouldn’t boycott any”. I guess no one has heard of the perfectionist fallacy, or considered the phrase about throwing out the baby with the bathwater?!? With reasoning like that you will get exactly what your logic brings you, an ever moving line moving further away from your values, …unopposed. Why not just throw out the welcoming mat?!? It's not a matter of there not being a "connection", it's a matter of do you choose one battle only? Do you choose to not shop at any store, eat at any restaurant, buy products from any company, etc., who promotes the gay agenda? If that's your choice then you'd better build a large fence around your property, stockpile guns, plant a very large garden, get yourself a few cows, chickens, sheep and other livestock, dig a well, stop driving cars, drinking soft drinks, using credit cards or the internet, etc. Almost EVERYTHING we do, use, purchase, etc., has a connection to the gay movement.

Anyone that does not see an agenda at work here is in complete denial:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOiQYQsfPqg

Listen to them gloat. All one has to do is listen to JC Penny’s CEO speak for 10 seconds to see why this is happening. He is using the stage made available to him to promote his lifestyle and beliefs and anyone who would go about claiming it is “just” about marketing, well, that is like you saying “you only read Playboy for the articles”. You’d have to be an idiot to really believe that and buy into such nonsense!

They can gloat all they want....still doesn't make it right and in the end they still lose. I feel my time and energies are better spent working with the gay people I know directly, winning them to the Lord rather than worrying about a JC Penney commercial.

 

[InTheLight]

It has become nearly impossible to AVOID companies that support gay rights, and contribute to their cause.

There is a difference between companies that make a token donation to a gay rights organization and companies that overtly promote homosexuality. JC Penney is going out of their way to promote homosexuality. They have color magazine ads showing lesbian couples hugging and gay men with their arms around each other frolicking with children. These ads come in the Sunday newspaper to millions of homes. Yes, you cannot AVOID this.

This is just a small portion of corporations who contribute, sometimes very large sums...AT&T is one of the top 50 contributors to the gay movement...that we patronize, not knowing our dollars go to support the gay movement. So what is the answer here? Do we completely cut ourselves off from these places or do we adopt a different line?

What to do? Completely cut ourselves off from those companies that overtly promote gays with their advertising and in-store signages. That's where I draw the line. If AT&T starts showing TV ads where gay singles meet up via text messaging using their cell phone service they would be on my boycott list.

 

[DiamondLady]

What to do? Completely cut ourselves off from those companies that overtly promote gays with their advertising and in-store signages. That's where I draw the line. If AT&T starts showing TV ads where gay singles meet up via text messaging using their cell phone service they would be on my boycott list.

See, I'm just the opposite. I worry more about the companies who do what they do quietly, subversively, in the background. It's the sneaky ones who can do a lot more damage. Companies like JCP draw the heat by blatantly putting out a commercial that shows two gay guys playing with a kid to draw the heat of Conservative Christianity and then companies like AT&T work quietly in the background lobbying for gay marriage, gay adoption rights, etc. While JCP is out there keeping your attention, companies like AT&T are pushing through the gay agenda.

 

[Michael Wrenn]

I refuse to use the word "gay" for homosexuality. It is a corruption of the word.

 

[InTheLight]

See, I'm just the opposite. I worry more about the companies who do what they do quietly, subversively, in the background. It's the sneaky ones who can do a lot more damage. Companies like JCP draw the heat by blatantly putting out a commercial that shows two gay guys playing with a kid to draw the heat of Conservative Christianity and then companies like AT&T work quietly in the background lobbying for gay marriage, gay adoption rights, etc. While JCP is out there keeping your attention, companies like AT&T are pushing through the gay agenda.

All activities of companies should be scrutinized. In the case of those companies in stealth mode, the amount of money being donated and where it is going should be investigated. A lot of these companies give a token amount to gay causes just to be able to say they've done something. If AT&T is giving lots of money I would re-examine whether or not I'd do business with them.

JC Penney is in our faces with their support of gays. In that case, I'm going to get out of their stores. It's too bad because they have some good products at reasonable prices, esp. in housewares and linens.

In the last gubernatorial race here in Minnesota, retail giant Target Stores donated $150,000 to Republican candidate Tom Emmer. Tom Emmer happens to be friends with a member of a Christian rock band, one member of the band made some disparaging remarks about gays. Of course this was outrageous to gays/lesbians/bis and caused a big brouhaha here in the Twin Cities. End result is that Target apologized and donated $500,000 to local GLBT causes and is a sponsor of the Gay Pride parade here in Minneapolis. I don't shop at Target anymore.

And BTW, Target continues to donate money to Republican politicians opposed to same sex marriage. Of course that money is less than money donated to GLBT causes, but it just goes to show that these corporations donate money just to keep all their bases covered.

 

[DiamondLady]

I refuse to use the word "gay" for homosexuality. It is a corruption of the word.

I use it here because of the rules of the board...

 

[padredurand]

Considering Microsoft and Apple's gay friendly support it makes this online discussion kind of silly.

 

[DiamondLady]

All activities of companies should be scrutinized. In the case of those companies in stealth mode, the amount of money being donated and where it is going should be investigated. A lot of these companies give a token amount to gay causes just to be able to say they've done something. If AT&T is giving lots of money I would re-examine whether or not I'd do business with them.

Then you'd better stop doing business with AT&T because they are among the top 50 contributors to the gay movement.

The top 10??
LEVIS
American Apparel
Nike
Microsoft
American Airlines
Apple
Google
Starbucks
Boeing
IBM

Guess y'all better give up your jeans, flying, computers, coffee.....I guess we won't be seeing any of you on the BB anymore. See, it's not so easy when it really inconveniences you.

 

[InTheLight]

Then you'd better stop doing business with AT&T because they are among the top 50 contributors to the gay movement.

The top 10??
LEVIS
American Apparel
Nike
Microsoft
American Airlines
Apple
Google
Starbucks
Boeing
IBM

Guess y'all better give up your jeans, flying, computers, coffee.....I guess we won't be seeing any of you on the BB anymore. See, it's not so easy when it really inconveniences you.

I guess I'd have to investigate their corporate culture to really determine the level of their support. Anyone can give money, but how committed are they to the cause?

But I see your point.

Could you supply a link to this list?

There are also companies that are reviled by the gay rights groups. Should we support these companies, or not?

Chick-fil-A
Coors Beer
Exxon Mobil

 

[DiamondLady]

I guess I'd have to investigate their corporate culture to really determine the level of their support. Anyone can give money, but how committed are they to the cause?

But I see your point.

Could you supply a link to this list?

There are also companies that are reviled by the gay rights groups. Should we support these companies, or not?

Chick-fil-A
Coors Beer
Exxon Mobil

Top 10 Corporate Sponsors

 

[DiamondLady]

Here's another interesting list....companies that support gay rights

 

[DiamondLady]

The Timothy Plan
This was one of the most detailed lists...not only that they support the gay movement but HOW they support it and what they do.

 

[Yeshua1]

I guess I'd have to investigate their corporate culture to really determine the level of their support. Anyone can give money, but how committed are they to the cause?

But I see your point.

Could you supply a link to this list?

There are also companies that are reviled by the gay rights groups. Should we support these companies, or not?

Chick-fil-A
Coors Beer
Exxon Mobil

To me, there IS indeed a big difference between saying that we will support gays/lesbians to have place to shop and spend their monies, to saying their lifestyles exactly same in society to the Hetrosexuals!

penneys crossed that line...

has google/Microsoft made yet 'gay friendly/only" browser/software?

 

[Michael Wrenn]

I use it here because of the rules of the board...

I was just making a general statement, not directed at you.

 

[InTheLight]

So now where am I going to buy jeans? Levi's fit me fairly well, but typically cost $35 - $40. I found JC Penney's brand, Arizona, also fit me well and can be had for less than $20. Now what do I do?