Jehovah Witness Team or, 2 Mormon Boys at Your Door ???

[righteousdude2]

Maybe True....

We're all children of the Devil until we're born again.

... but, we aren't studying, learning, teaching, and actively pushing a false religion, or, religious ideals on behalf of the devil.

 

[righteousdude2]

Not All Mormons are Weak on Their Theology

Then you're one of the very few because if you ever talk to people in apologetics to different cults, they'll tell you the same thing I did.

Look JDF, I don't know who you've talked to, but, I'm saying the average Christian, on the street, will have a difficult time debating a Mormon who is on their game.

I'm not talking about those who have a theological degree standing behind them. There are Christians, and there are Christians. Mormons have their specialists who can stand toe-to-toe with those who study apologetics, and you know this is true.

I am speaking in general terms, not those specific times when the Mormon team comes across a well-versed Bible scholar, a pastor, or, a knowledgeable believer. Unfortunately, the average believer that occupies our pews, is weak on theology and why they believe what they believe.

I'm certainly not disagreeing with you, as I said in my one post, I was able to change the heart and mind of one of the Mormons at my door. But, I have a better understanding of their teachings, and their cult. Just as they have a script, I imagine you, like me, have the buttons to push that rattle them, and get them to running away from our house.

Most believers don't, and there is very little being taught in the church that helps our folks to understand the difference between the true Jesus, and the Jesus of Mormons and Jew's. I still think pastors owe their following the teaching of cults. After all we preach on the hireling, we ought to expand it to how the hireling gets into the flock, and how to expose and chase them out.

John 10:2 - But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
John 10:7-8 - So Jesus said again, I assure you, most solemnly I tell you, that I Myself am the Door for the sheep. All others who came [as such] before Me are thieves and robbers, but the [true] sheep did not listen to and obey them.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

Look JDF, I don't know who you've talked to, but, I'm saying the average Christian, on the street, will have a difficult time debating a Mormon who is on their game.

That's because the average Christian is intimidated and doesn't know that just a few simple words can turn a Mormon's knees to jelly, not because Mormons are great theologians or evangelists for Mormonism.

 

[Berean]

There may not be Census Workers at my door, but, what about those pesky, infinite number of Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses? I was hoping that many of you could provide your best and most successful method of getting the Jehovah Witness Teams and, or, the two polite Mormon boys in white starched shirts and skinny black ties to leave your door step, and never return.:thumbs:

As for me and my house, we have a privacy fence around our entire front and back yard. We keep the gate locked most of the time, and they just can't get up here. It was an expensive deterrent, but, it works. :applause:

Shalom,

Pastor Paul :type:

In the past I have agreed to dialog with them but first they must agree that Jesus is God. I have yet had ont to accept. Last time they asked for a drink of cold water and left.

 

[Berean]

There may not be Census Workers at my door, but, what about those pesky, infinite number of Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses? I was hoping that many of you could provide your best and most successful method of getting the Jehovah Witness Teams and, or, the two polite Mormon boys in white starched shirts and skinny black ties to leave your door step, and never return.:thumbs:

As for me and my house, we have a privacy fence around our entire front and back yard. We keep the gate locked most of the time, and they just can't get up here. It was an expensive deterrent, but, it works. :applause:

Shalom,

Pastor Paul :type:

In the past I have agreed to dialog with them but first they must agree that Jesus is God. I have yet had ont to accept. Last time they asked for a drink of cold water and left.

 

[righteousdude2]

Could I Ask You A Favor???

That's because the average Christian is intimidated and doesn't know that just a few simple words can turn a Mormon's knees to jelly, not because Mormons are great theologians or evangelists for Mormonism.

You seem to be quite knowledgable about the Mormons, JDF, so, you could help a lot of Board members by sharing just what you say to turn their knees to "jelly".

>Most believers don't, and there is very little being taught in the church that helps our folks to understand the difference between the true Jesus, and the Jesus of Mormons and Jew's. I still think pastors owe their following the teaching of cults. After all we preach on the hireling, we ought to expand it to how the hireling gets into the flock, and how to expose and chase them out.


Why not share what it is that you say to them. The time to share the secret has come :laugh

 

[JohnDeereFan]

You seem to be quite knowledgable about the Mormons, JDF, so, you could help a lot of Board members by sharing just what you say to turn their knees to "jelly".

>Most believers don't, and there is very little being taught in the church that helps our folks to understand the difference between the true Jesus, and the Jesus of Mormons and Jew's. I still think pastors owe their following the teaching of cults. After all we preach on the hireling, we ought to expand it to how the hireling gets into the flock, and how to expose and chase them out.


Why not share what it is that you say to them. The time to share the secret has come :laugh

Sorry, but I quit taking schoolyard dares when I was ten years old.

 

[abcgrad94]

There may not be Census Workers at my door, but, what about those pesky, infinite number of Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses? I was hoping that many of you could provide your best and most successful method of getting the Jehovah Witness Teams and, or, the two polite Mormon boys in white starched shirts and skinny black ties to leave your door step, and never return.:thumbs:

As for me and my house, we have a privacy fence around our entire front and back yard. We keep the gate locked most of the time, and they just can't get up here. It was an expensive deterrent, but, it works. :applause:

Shalom,

Pastor Paul :type:

I have found the JW's much nicer to deal with than the Mormons. A couple of little old JW ladies will hand out some literature, which I just toss in the trash. Usually the Mormons are just plain rude and I tell them my dh pastors the church across the street and to go away and not come back. Every year we get the college age Mormon boys who think they know everything. They spend their summers in my state as "missionaries" and hit every neighborhood, knocking on doors. I have, on occasion, pointedly asked why they seem to spend all their time in the flat neighborhoods instead of taking their message to the poor hillbillies "up yonder" in the hollers. Seems a mite lazy to me, to hit the flat streets and ignore the steep mountain driveways. I've also asked if their "holey underwear" would protect them from my dog.

I know, not very nice of me. :tongue3: But, I call 'em like I see 'em. Now the little 7th Day Adventist college girls get a cold drink of ice water and a rest on my porch swing, just because they have manners and I like that.

 

[Thinkingstuff]

There may not be Census Workers at my door, but, what about those pesky, infinite number of Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses? I was hoping that many of you could provide your best and most successful method of getting the Jehovah Witness Teams and, or, the two polite Mormon boys in white starched shirts and skinny black ties to leave your door step, and never return.:thumbs:

As for me and my house, we have a privacy fence around our entire front and back yard. We keep the gate locked most of the time, and they just can't get up here. It was an expensive deterrent, but, it works. :applause:

Shalom,

Pastor Paul :type:

I had two mormon guys ask me if I had heard of the book of mormon and mormonism. I said I had. They asked me what I thought. I said that I didn't think they really wanted to hear what I thought of Mormons. They assured me they did. I said well mormons I've met in general were very nice. However, it was as shame because Jospeph Smith was a Charletan, a theif, and a crook. That Bingham Young was a bully. That the very proof of their illigitimacy is their founding resemblance to Islam and the deception of both religions. I futher said I pitty good people who follow false prophets despite the glaring evidence that they are deceived. The men left and I never heard from them again. Jehovah witness are easier. I tell them I'm a member of a baptist church and they follow the same heresy as Arius and their bible is not an accurate greek to english translation and that their translators have been debunked. I haven't seen them either.

 

[righteousdude2]

I'm Sorry....

Sorry, but I quit taking schoolyard dares when I was ten years old.

... I didn't mean that to sound like a schoolyard dare. I was being sincere. After all, I've already said, that I believe it is the responsibility of the church to teach its flock how to recognize cults; share the true Gospel message with members of cults; and know what to say in order to, for arguments sake, "push" their buttons!

Why you tried to read between the lines and accuse me of making a schoolyard dare is beyond me. I sincerely invited you to start your own post on cults and how to win when debating them.

You say you have the goods, so, what's the problem in sharing your life learned secrets? You may be able to help a lot of us, including me, be more prepared and Biblically armed and dangerous when it comes to reaching out to cults.

Please reconsider my request. You have a lot to offer, and it should benefit many. Who knows, maybe your teaching will lead to some cult followers finding Jesus. I know that you caused me to be curious with some of the veiled things you already shared, and I'd love to hear more.

I'm sorry if in any way I offended you, or, embarrassed you with my request. I was being sincere JDF.:thumbs:

Pastor Paul

 

[Mississippi John]

I always invite them to stay for dinner.

 

[blackbird]

I moved this thread to All Other Discussions forum from the Politics forum because ---- well ---- it had nothing to do with politics

 

[I Am Blessed 24]

I think the Bible has something to say about not letting them into the house, but I can't find it!

As for the JW's, I used to trade tracts with them and I'm sure they probably did the same thing with mine as I did with theirs!

I finally called their 'Kingdom Hall' and requested they not visit me anymore and they took my name off the list. Haven't had a visit from JW's in years.

As for the Mormons. I just don't answer the door anymore.

I will say one thing. It's a shame more Christians don't know the Bible as well as the Mormons do. They are well versed. They are wrong, but still well versed.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

I think the Bible has something to say about not letting them into the house, but I can't find it!

That's 2 John, IAM, and it doesn't mean that we're not supposed to show them hospitality as individuals, it just means that we're not to support their ministry.

Think of it this way, in the New Testament times, a teacher, be they false or legit, would come to your house with a letter from a trusted elder vouching for them and asking you to allow them to stay in your house while they minister to the church. Some of them were not always er, "kosher", for lack of a better word.

2 John just means that we're to be aware that there are false teachers out there who are looking to get a foothold in the church and that we're not to support them in doing so, but that doesn't in any way mean that we shouldn't show them kindness or hospitality.

 

[Gina B]

Having been LDS myself, I don't want to turn anyone away, but understand your need to.

The best way is to teach them the truth. They are in YOUR home, but be polite and hear them out, but prepared with an answer for their questions. Don't forget that there ARE parts of scripture and beliefs both sides agree on. Some people are so eager to disprove everything about the LDS church that they'll argue against truth just to argue!
Keep your word. If you ask them to read and study a scripture, be ready to agree to read and study something for them too, being prepared to study for it the next visit. Offer them real food too, they're usually hungry and on an extremely tight budget unless their family has means.

What will happen is this: You will be giving them the truth. The truth convicts, even if it doesn't convince. The missionaries are REQUIRED to report themselves if they start having doubts about the faith, and at that point they will most likely get transferred to a different state or area, and you get to start again fresh. If this happens one time too many, your address will get blacklisted and they won't be allowed to visit you. They can't afford to keep shipping off their missionaries because they're getting convicted about the truth.

This way you won't have kicked them out. You won't have ignored an opportunity to share the truth. I know it's a hassle, especially when you most likely won't get a single convert, but it's still our job as Christians to share the truth when we can.

As far as Jehovah's witnesses, I made their top talker agree that according to their beliefs, I could use any name I wanted to for God. I decided on Bob, and that threw them for a big loop. The one lady cried and I felt bad for her, but it proved my point. She couldn't prove to me that it wasn't right to use the name Bob or insist on it in my home, and that was the end of that.

 

[saturneptune]

There may not be Census Workers at my door, but, what about those pesky, infinite number of Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses? I was hoping that many of you could provide your best and most successful method of getting the Jehovah Witness Teams and, or, the two polite Mormon boys in white starched shirts and skinny black ties to leave your door step, and never return.:thumbs:

As for me and my house, we have a privacy fence around our entire front and back yard. We keep the gate locked most of the time, and they just can't get up here. It was an expensive deterrent, but, it works. :applause:

Shalom,

Pastor Paul :type:

I have a story from a couple of years ago when I was working the midnight shift. I had just gotten to sleep about noon. Just as I was dozing off, the door bell rang. I ignored it. About thirty seconds passed, and it rang again. This was repeated six times. By that time I was hot. I thought, on the way down the hall, these people want to see me so bad, I am going to let them. I was in boxer shorts, and opened the door. There stood a man in his 30s and a woman about the same age. I said in a raised voice, "Is there something I can do to help you?" They just looked at me like the deer in a head light, muttered something and said no thank you. They have never been back. You must understand, it was not a pretty sight.

 

[Mississippi John]

THE MORMON BOYS

That they would find each other would have been as unlikely to predict as the fall of communism or the good sheep market. She was old and a lifelong Southern Baptist. They were young and on a mission for the Mormon Church.
A requirement of good �Mormonism� for young men is to serve as a missionary for the church for two years. They are expected to go door to door wherever they are sent and spread the gospel of the Latter Day Saints (LDS), also called Mormons.
Now if you think that�s easy, put yourself in their place. You are nineteen years old, often from a rural background, no car, in a strange place, wearing a dark suit and tie, riding a bicycle and knocking on a stranger�s door. As you know, many who open that door and find out you are �peddling religion� are not friendly.
They knocked on her door one day and explained their purpose. She said, �Well, I�m teachin� our home Bible class.� They excused themselves and left. Later she said to her husband, �I�ll never turn those boys away again.�
Eventually they came back down her street and she said what she says to everybody that�s ever knocked on her door, �Have ya eaten yet?� Well, for two boys a thousand miles from home and batchin�, nothin� sounded sweeter.
For the next eight or ten years, the boys �stationed� in her little Oklahoma town beat a steady path to her door. They overlapped each other every few months and each new missionary was taken to meet Uncle Leonard and Aunt Effie.
Many of these boys were country raised and homesick, I�m sure. They are not allowed to call home except Mother�s Day. Effie and Leonard were retired farmers, both in their 80s and sure knew how to cook for hungry boys. They played Skip Bo, ate fried chicken and peach cobbler, helped her with her garden when Leonard became unable, sang while she played on the piano and found an oasis from the pressure.
Uncle Leonard passed away last fall and Effie�s havin� health problems. I visited her in the hospital recently and she talked about her �Mormon boys.� Her face lit up. It was obvious how much they meant to her. Some still write and the new ones still come by checkin� on her.
I�m sure they discussed religion, but as Aunt Effie told �em, �Yer out walkin� the streets for your Jesus, He�s my Jesus, too, and that�s more than most religious folks do. I�m proud of you.�
She saw their need and filled it the only way she knew how. She offered them kindness. And if you ever questioned that passage, �It is more blessed to give than receive,� you ought to see her face when she talks about her �Mormon boys.�
I don�t know if they�re better Mormons or she�s a better Baptist for knowin� each other. And I don�t know if the leaders of the Southern Baptist convention and the elders of the church of the Latter Day Saints would approve. But I do know that the human race is a little better species because these two took the time to appreciate one another as people.

Reprinted by permission of:
Baxter Black
Coyote Cowboy Company

 

[jaigner]

THE MORMON BOYS I don�t know if they�re better Mormons or she�s a better Baptist for knowin� each other. And I don�t know if the leaders of the Southern Baptist convention and the elders of the church of the Latter Day Saints would approve. But I do know that the human race is a little better species because these two took the time to appreciate one another as people.

Reprinted by permission of:
Baxter Black
Coyote Cowboy Company

Wow...bold statement for this place.

 

[Melanie]

I find having a large crucifix just inside the door is helpful and probably the rosary beads help. Being just about next door to the church is helpful as well.:thumbs:

 

[Timsings]

. . . The Jehovah's Witnesses are better versed although they really don't like to leave their rehearsed script.

Early in our marriage, when my wife and I lived closer to Vanderbilt, our neighborhood began to be canvased occasionally by a group of Jehovah's Witnesses. I liked to read on our front porch, so I was sort of a sitting duck for them. The first time they came to my house I made it very clear that I was willing to talk to them, but I had no intention of converting. They were pushing this little book they were selling. Without realizing what I was doing, I started talking about what I had been reading (e.g., at that time it was probably Bonhoeffer or Tillich). I realized very quickly that the man was getting very uncomfortable. After I finished talking the man said that I needed to be very careful about reading "non-Biblical authors because they distort the truth". I told him that I was very careful about that. Then I asked him, "Isn't the guy who wrote that little book you're selling a non-Biblical author?" He was busted, and he knew it. On later visits, they pushed me to let them come by for Bible study. When I made an appointment with them before I went to work, they didn't show. I doubt that the 3:30 A. M. appointment time (I had to be at work at 5:00 A. M.) had anything to do with it. :laugh: In any case, they never came back.

Another time, my neighbor saw their VW van turn onto our street. She didn't want to fool with them that day, so she gathered up her infant son and headed for the grocery store. In the parking lot, she got him out of the car, turned around, and ran right into a Moonie. :BangHead:

My problem with these people is that they are always "on". They can't just talk about their position. They are always trying to convert you.

Tim Reynolds