Jeremiah 10

[Johnv]

You leave me no choice. I'm going out right now and buying a stainless steel tree

 

[rsr]

Just be real careful when you put the lights on it. I know you're not easily shocked, but you never know.

 

[Jim1999]

I wonder, if when I am shovelling snow along the pathway infront of my tree, it thinks I am bowing down before it?

Looking for saw to cut it down......wait,it supposed to snow tomorrow....that will blindfold it.

Cheers,

Jim

 

[Aaron]

What do you think, brother Glen?

 

[tyndale1946]

I enjoyed all the comments and there is merit in all those who replied... Then again there is more there than meets the eye and greater mysteries than we can imagine. Looks harmless but then again is it and to extend this even further look at the two links I found among others?

The origin and meaning of the Christmas Tree... http://users.rcn.com/tlclcms/chrtree.htm

The true meaning of Christ-Mass... http://www.lasttrumpetministries.org/tracts/tract4.html
Brother Glen

[ December 05, 2002, 01:49 PM: Message edited by: tyndale1946 ]

 

[Johnv]

I'm still not too concerned about my non-conductive aluminim tree lighting rod and spark arrestor .

There have been occulting practices involving dolls, yet I have barbies in the house (they're not mine, really.

There have been occulting practices involving the worship of statues, yet I have a porcelain bisque of "Christ the Good Shepherd" (Jesus among the sheep) in my home.

There have even been occulting practices involving the worship of articles of clothing, yet I still leave the house dressed.

 

[ChristianCynic]

Originally posted by GrannyGumbo:
One has stated: "I don't believe anyone looks at the Christmas tree as a deity or a God. And yet another said: "We do not worship a Christmas tree".

The granny sez~"Oh yeah? Then just try taking it away from someone or telling them they can't have one!"

First-- are you suggesting theft?

Second-- Do you worship those dresses that you wear? If someone came along while you were walking down the road and snatched that dress, and any articles under it away, off of you, would you be confronted with how much you "worship" your clothes as much as someone whose 'Christmas tree' is taken "worships" that?

 

[GrannyGumbo]

Hey CC! I was wondering when you'd *pop* in & pick on the granny, hahaha!

Rabbit trails, shotgun shells, and King James all the way~

 

[Headcoveredlady]

Originally posted by ChristianCynic:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by GrannyGumbo:
One has stated: "I don't believe anyone looks at the Christmas tree as a deity or a God. And yet another said: "We do not worship a Christmas tree".

The granny sez~"Oh yeah? Then just try taking it away from someone or telling them they can't have one!"

First-- are you suggesting theft?

Second-- Do you worship those dresses that you wear? If someone came along while you were walking down the road and snatched that dress, and any articles under it away, off of you, would you be confronted with how much you "worship" your clothes as much as someone whose 'Christmas tree' is taken "worships" that?</font>[/QUOTE]I think that would be considered rape Mr. Cynic, don't you?

 

[ChristianCynic]

Posted by headcoveredlady:I think that would be considered rape Mr. Cynic, don't you?

No, that is not the definition thereof. But to the point-- Gumbo's contention was that the extent to which a person wishes to not give something up is an indication how much said person "worships" that particular thing. She had no answer for my response illustrating there are things she definitely would not wish to give up, but instead remarked about 'when I was going to pop in and pick on her.'

In your case, what about this headcovering of yours. Are you insistent on keeping it, and therefore worship it?

 

[DHK]

Originally posted by ChristianCynic:

In your case, what about this headcovering of yours. Are you insistent on keeping it, and therefore worship it?

You keep drawing a needless dichotomy between good and evil which in the end does not make much sense.

Rom.12:9 Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.

You are suggesting to HCL and to Granny the very opposite of Rom.12:9, to hate good, and love evil. The Bible commands us to "cleave" or adhere, stick to, hold on to, some things. That doesn't mean we worship them.

On the other hand the Bible says:
"Keep yourself from idols."
"Love not the world, nor the things that are in the world..."
"For whosever shall be a friend of the world is the enemy of God."
"Be not conformed to the world."
"If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, take up his cross and follow me."

Keep yourself from idols. I agree with Granny. There are many materialistic things in this world, that western Christians have been so accustomed to, that if taken away, they seemingly would not be able to live without it. That is idolatry.
DHK

 

[Walls]

Originally posted by BrianT:
Come on, Granny. I'm sure I'd give up my Christmas tree a lot easier than you'd give up your KJV or your shotgun. Do you worship those things or think they are a deity? [/QB]

Hey, back off the Granny! Have you not read that, In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. To give up the KJV would be to give up God. Yes, we worship God.

As far as the shotgun, the Bible says to teach to war. There is nothing wrong with bearing arms.

However, there is much to say about being seperate and not partaking of heathen ways. Do a study of the origin of Christmas, you might be surprized to find that the only thing that resembles Christ is the name they put on it to make you think it is okay. When actually it's background is as wicked as can be.

If you want to be Christ honoring during this time, don't partake in heathen customs and justify it by saying it is Christ's birhtday(there's no proof), instead go out and tell people that Christ died so that we would be spared from eternal hell.

 

[Walls]

Originally posted by Pastor Larry:
[QB]Does anyone seriously think that Jeremiah was talking about a Christmas tree??? I mean after all, the birth of Christ was still 700 or so years away and the advent of Christmas trees much further. I believe whatever Jeremiah was talking about had real meaning for his readers and therefore it is clear that Jeremiah was most certianly not talking about a Christmas tree. It would have meant nothing to his readers.

According to your quote, we hadd 700 years to go before Christ was born. Do research, the ancient worship of the birth of the Sun god began around 700bc. Funny how God knows exactly what He is talking about. He warned us right when it happened and it wasn't even until the 1600's that true Christians began to partake of this heathen celebration. The Puritans protested it for many years.

 

[Walls]

Originally posted by Johnv:
Two things are certain: If we're really supposed to be concerned about pagan roots, we should abandon the names of the seven days of the week, since they're all named after mythological figures.

Second, if we look really hard, there's probably not a single day of the year that isn't a pagan day of something-or-other, or a single items that isn't a pagan symbol of this-or-that.

Finally, since Jer10 talks about living trees and silver or gold, I guess that counts me out. My tree is artificial (thanks to asthma) and my ornaments are glass, thanks to Target having them on sale for 1.99 for a box of 15

That's right the Bible calls them the first day, second day, third day and so on. We sometimes make our own calendar to show Gods way.

 

[Walls]

Originally posted by ChristianCynic:
First-- are you suggesting theft?

Second-- Do you worship those dresses that you wear? If someone came along while you were walking down the road and snatched that dress, and any articles under it away, off of you, would you be confronted with how much you "worship" your clothes as much as someone whose 'Christmas tree' is taken "worships" that?[/QB]

I wasn't going to bring it up but since you did I'll go ahead. I would say that those who don't want to give up the Christmas Trees don't want to give up their pants or their women in pants. If your not give up the world in one area, your not going to in other areas as well.

 

[Pastor Larry]

Originally posted by Walls:
According to your quote, we hadd 700 years to go before Christ was born. Do research, the ancient worship of the birth of the Sun god began around 700bc. Funny how God knows exactly what He is talking about. He warned us right when it happened and it wasn't even until the 1600's that true Christians began to partake of this heathen celebration. The Puritans protested it for many years.

Actually, it is history that tells us there were 700 years till Christ's birth, and history tells us it was at least 1300 till the first tree (700ad). It was the 1800s until the use of trees became widespread and in 1880 Woolworths sold the first manufactured ornaments. All this to say that a verse about Christmas trees from Jeremiah would be a verse about nothing to those people who were his readers. They would laugh at loud at the suggestion that Jeremiah was talking about Christmas trees, especially since they didn't know what Christmas was.

I don't think its funny at all that God knows exactly what he is talking about. I think you don't know what he is talking about if you suggest that this verse is about Christmas trees. This verse had nothing to do with Christmas trees, as it evident from the context of Jeremiah and the history of Christmas.

 

[Walls]

Check out these sites! http://livingheritage.org/pole-spirits.htm
http://www.religioustolerance.org/xmas_tree.htm
http://www.cogsc.org/ar0004.htm

I am sure there is much more, but if you have eyes to see and ears to hear just search EVERGREEN TREE WORSHIP, you will find alot.

 

[BrianT]

Originally posted by Walls:
Hey, back off the Granny! Have you not read that, In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. To give up the KJV would be to give up God. Yes, we worship God.

I guess God didn't exist before 1611. Christmas trees are older than your God.

As far as the shotgun, the Bible says to teach to war. There is nothing wrong with bearing arms.

The point is that Granny's point was if you don't want to give something up, you must be worshipping it. Granny doesn't want to give up her gun, thus by her own logic she worships it.

 

[GrannyGumbo]

BrianT! Ya want my shotgun? Here, boy, you can have it...The granny's got plenty mo'

 

[BrianT]

Originally posted by GrannyGumbo:
BrianT! Ya want my shotgun? Here, boy, you can have it...The granny's got plenty mo'

Oh great. Now we're even getting into polytheism.