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Jesus cites, 2 Esdras 1:30

37818

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2 Esdras 1:30, I gathered you together, as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings: . . . .

Matthew 23:37, O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
 
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KenH

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An expression much like to this here is used by an apocryphal writer of 2 Esdras: "I gathered you together, as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings: but now, what shall I do unto you? I will cast you out from my face." (2 Esdras 1:30). It seems to be a simile much in use with that people. Our Lord is to be understood not of his divine will, as God, to gather the people of the Jews internally, by his Spirit and grace, to himself; for all those whom Christ would gather, in this sense, were gathered, notwithstanding all the opposition made by the rulers of the people; but of his human affection and will, as a man, and a minister, to gather them to him externally, by, and under the ministry of his word, to hear him preach; so as that they might be brought to a conviction of, and an assent unto him as the Messiah; which, though it might fall short of faith in him, would have been sufficient to have preserved them from temporal ruin, threatened to their city and temple, in the following verse. Instances of the human affection, and will of Christ, may be observed in Mark 10:21 which will of his, though not contrary to the divine will, but subordinate to it, yet not always the same with it, nor always fulfilled: whereas his divine will, or his will as God, is, always fulfilled: "who hath resisted his will?" this cannot be hindered, and made void; he does whatsoever he pleases: and further, that this will of Christ to gather the Jews to himself, is to be understood of his human, and not divine will, is manifest from hence, that this will was in him, and expressed by him at certain several times, by intervals; and therefore he says, "how often would I have gathered", &c. whereas the divine will is one continued, invariable, and unchangeable will, is always the same, and never begins or ceases to be, and to which such an expression is inapplicable; and therefore these words do not contradict the absolute and sovereign will of God, in the distinguishing acts of it, respecting the choice of some persons, and the leaving of others. And it is to be observed, that the persons whom Christ would have gathered, are not represented as being unwilling to be gathered; but their rulers were not willing that they should, and be made proselytes to him, and come under his wings.
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The opposition and resistance to the will of Christ were not made by the people, but by their governors. The common people seemed inclined to attend his ministry, as appears from the vast crowds, which, at different times and places, followed him; but the chief priests, and rulers, did all they could to hinder the collection of them to him, and their belief in him as the Messiah; by traducing his character, miracles, and doctrines, and by menacing the people with curses, and excommunications, making a law, that whoever confessed him should be turned out of the synagogue.

- excerpt from John Gill's Bible commentary on Matthew 23:37
 
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Deacon

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Or was the citation in 2 Esdras drawn from Matthew's Gospel?

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In either case there are plenty of passages where a similar image is employed.

Like an eagle that stirs up its nest, that flutters over its young, spreading out its wings, catching them, bearing them on its pinions,
Deuteronomy 32:11 (ESV)

...the God of Israel, under whose wings you have come to take refuge!
Ruth 2:12b (ESV)

Like an eagle that stirs up its nest,
that flutters over its young,
spreading out its wings, catching them,
bearing them on its pinions,
Deuteronomy 32:11 (ESV)

...hide me in the shadow of your wings,
Psalm 17:8b (ESV) .

The children of mankind take refuge in the shadow of your wings.
Psalm 36:7b (ESV)

...in the shadow of your wings I will take refuge, till the storms of destruction pass by.
Psalm 57:1 (ESV)

... Let me take refuge under the shelter of your wings! Selah
Psalm 61:4b (ESV)

...and in the shadow of your wings I will sing for joy.
Psalm 63:7b (ESV)

For he will deliver you from the snare of the fowler
and from the deadly pestilence.
He will cover you with his pinions,
and under his wings you will find refuge;
his faithfulness is a shield and buckler.
Psalm 91:3–4 (ESV)

Like birds hovering, so the Lord of hosts
will protect Jerusalem;
he will protect and deliver it;
he will spare and rescue it.”
Isaiah 31:5 (ESV)

Rob
 

37818

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First off, 2 Esdras on the whole wasn't Old Testament Holy Scripture. And if it was a post 70AD writing, then the supposed quote wouldn't be a true source for said quote.
 

David Lamb

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First off, 2 Esdras on the whole wasn't Old Testament Holy Scripture. And if it was a post 70AD writing, then the supposed quote wouldn't be a true source for said quote.
Encyclopaedia Britannica says:

"Second Book of Esdras, apocryphal work printed in the Vulgate and many later Roman Catholic bibles as an appendix to the New Testament. The central portion of the work (chapters 3–14), consisting of seven visions revealed to the seer Salathiel-Ezra, was written in Aramaic by an unknown Jew around ad 100. In the mid-2nd century ad, a Christian author added an introductory portion (chapters 1–2) to the Greek edition of the book, and a century later another Christian writer appended chapters 15–16 to the same edition."
 
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