That is "secular humanism". Humanism, as you know, is a Christian movement. Let's use "secular humanism" when we mean "secular humanism", and "humanism" when we mean "humanism."
I would categorize any and all humanism as anything that exalts man above God. Be that secular humanism, or otherwise. If man is the focus, rather than God it's probably not good.
2Cr 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />quote] The only problem with evolution is that it is the opposite of what God tells us happened in the Bible.
Barbarian observes:
No, that's a common misconception. In fact, most Christians acknowledge that evolution is consistent with God's creation.</font>[/QUOTE]Read Genesis Chapters 1 & 2. Tell me if this sounds remotely like evolution. Genesis 1 & 2 (regardless of whether you think so or not) DIRECTLY and irrefutably says that the earth was created in six literal 24 hour (solar) days. It says on the 3rd literal day, God created the first life in the form of plants - grass and trees etc - and that life only creates more of itself ... it does not turn into other kinds of life.
It says that the next literal day, God created the Sun, moon, and stars.
It says that the next literal day, God created all life living within the waters, and all birds. He made these creatures reproducing able only to re-produce themselves, but not turn into other kinds of creatures.
The next literal day, God created all animals on the earth ... made them reproduce after their own kind... and then as an entirely separate creation, God made man as the only creation on earth made in his own image.
So on the 3rd literal 24 hour day of creation God made the first life, and on the 6th literal 24 hour day, man was created. This is DIRECT and IRREFUTABLE evidence that there was not millinons of years before the first reproducing cell and man.
We all know and agree that the days of creation are literal. The word for day used in the Old Testament Hebrew is YOM. EVERY time in the Bible the word YOM is used in conjuction with Evening, it means an ordinary day. Every time YOM is used in conjuction with the word Morning, it means an ordianry day. Every time YOM is used with a number, it means an ordianry day. Every time the Bible switches literal days in the account of creation, it says "and the evening and the morning were the [number] day".
These are the irrefutable facts of creation. The Bible clearly, plainly, and literaly states these facts. There is no where in the Bible where evolution is even remotely supported - furthermore because the Bible clearly states all of these facts of creation, we know that evolution did not happen. There was only 72 hours between the first life and man. To my knowledge there are no evolutionary models, mechanisms, etc for transforming single cells into man in 3 literal days. Yet the Bible is Absolute in this timetable. There is simply no way to deny this unless you say that the Bible is not true.
However, if you say that ANY portion of the Bible is not true, you have opened the door to the possibility that the WHOLE Bible is not true. IF you can say that any part of Genesis did not happen as the Bible describes, then you can also say that any part of any book of the Bible did not happen as the Bible describes. For example, Jesus quotes Genesis. Pual quotes Genesis. If Genesis didn't happen exactly as Genesis says - if Genesis in un-true or non-literal then anything that quotes it can be seen as untrue or non-literal. Therefore if you say that Genesis is ... in ANY WISE... not entirely and 100% real and accurate, then it can be shown also that Jesus is not 100% real and accurate, and that christianity is not 100% real and accurate. And that Salvation and calvary is not 100% real and accurate. If you dismiss ANY part of Genesis, you can then dismiss any part of scripture you want.
That is humanism. The presumption that the idea of man is greater than the Word of God.
Doesn't say "literal days". In fact, a litereal reading would rule out literal days, because there would be no sun, no mornings and no evenings.
While I have already discussed with you the extensive evidence - nay proof - that the days of Genesis were literal, ordinary days... let me try to also give you an explaination for the sun, mornings, evenings statement.
While the Sun was not created until literal day 4 of creation, this does not mean that TIME was not created. In fact, we can see that time was created on Day 1.
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that [it was] good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
God creates light. Note that just about all our calculations for energy and matter come from the 'speed of light'. Speed is nothing more than distance over time. So in creating light and separating it from darkness, God actually creates time. He also creates a means by which evening and morning can be determined. Evening and morning are caused by the rotation of the earth. If there is a difference between light and darkness, then evening and morning - via the rotation of the earth - can be determined and therefore we can see time passing by the oscillations of light and dark ... evening and morning.
Notice that this is exactly what the bible says - God called the light day, and the dark he called night and IMMEDIATELY we have the passing of time by evening, morning, first day.
Note that according to Romans 5 and Genesis 3, death did not enter the world until the Sin of Adam. Therefore, all life on earth was eternal life. You see... the plants - a life form - were created on day 3, while there was no sun. The concept that the Sun provided energy to the world system (proventing entropy) when the first cells were created is DIRECTLY PROVEN FALSE by these verses. The first living cells were created in the complete abcense of our Sun. They managed to come to full grass and full trees bearing fruit in the complete abcense of our sun! Tell me how this is possible with natural evolution?
"Solar days" is a non-scriptural addition. Not a good idea.
The only reason to say Solar days is because there are those out there who would try to continue to argue stating that a literal day is not mathematically precisely 24.000 hours. Solar day is used because that is the 'current equivelant measure of time'. To avoid this idiotic digression from the point, we often say 'solar day' so that the quantity of time we are referring to is known.
And the "death" as the serpent showed, was not physical, but spiritual. Otherwise Adam would have literally died that day, as God had told him. He did die, of course, but that was a figurative spiritual death.
As Genesis 3:19 and Romans 5:12 shows us, death did enter Adam in that day. Both physical and spiritual.
However, could there be any reason for the delay?
Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />The world became increasingly corrupted and evil and violent until the days of Noah when God killed every living thing on the earth except for Noah, his family, and the animals which Noah had taken with him on the Ark.
That's not scriptural, either. Even if a worldwide flood were true, plants would have to survive somehow. And fish would have to have somehow survived the blending of salt and fresh water, and so on.
</font>[/QUOTE]I am not really sure what you are arguing here...
I said all animals ON EARTH... not all living things in the world. The fish are not land animals. But to show the scriptural basis for what I say -
Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man [was] great in the earth, and [that] every imagination of the thoughts of his heart [was] only evil continually.
Gen 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
Gen 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
Gen 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
Gen 6:11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.
Gen 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
Gen 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
Gen 6:17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein [is] the breath of life, from under heaven; [and] every thing that [is] in the earth shall die.
Gen 6:18 But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee.
Gen 6:19 And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every [sort] shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep [them] alive with thee; they shall be male and female.
Gen 6:20 Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every [sort] shall come unto thee, to keep [them] alive.
Gen 7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that [were] under the whole heaven, were covered.
Gen 7:21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
Gen 7:22 All in whose nostrils [was] the breath of life, of all that [was] in the dry [land], died.
Gen 7:23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained [alive], and they that [were] with him in the ark.
So all that I have said about the flood is directly from scripture and true.
Since we have directly observed the process, any consideration of life on Earth mush account for evolution.
This is entirely false, even without the Bible. However, since the Bible removes all possibility of evolution being true, we can rest assured that it is not. The Biblical evidence FAR OUTWEIGHS any misinterpreted observation by man. God's Word is far more trustworthy than that of any human scientist. It is back to the drawing board for evolutionists... clearly and irrefutably the Bible declares the truth that evolution did not happen. I have definitively and decisively shown you this in Genesis 1 & 2. There is no other interpretation... there is no other alternative but to believe Genesis 1 & 2 as it is written.
If you can show me where Genesis 1 & 2 is not literal, then I will show you how that makes Jesus not literal. I will show you that if Genesis 1 & 2 didn't happen, then salvation didn't happen either. You guys try to get by saying these things don't matter in inerrancy as long as we get the Big Things right... in fact, the Big Things can only be true if the rest of it is true.
Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
A corrupt tree cannot bring forth good fruit. If Genesis is wrong, then so is Jesus. On the other hand, if Genesis is right and true, then so also is Jesus.
Moreover, humanists and atheists have a reason now to dismiss the whole of scripture if you tell them that Genesis is wrong... or that it's science and history are wrong... what reason do they have to believe anything else. If the Bible can't get the earthly things right, how can it be trusted with the things of God - the sprititual things. I assert that it can be fully trusted... literally as written in both arenas.
Luk 16:11 If therefore ye have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true [riches]?
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />If we believe the Bible is true, then we must accept that the world was created in 6 actual days, including all the lifeforms therein.
No, that's wrong. In fact, God shows that the YE creationism docrine of ex nihilo is false. He says that living things were brought forth from the Earth.</font>[/QUOTE]I showed you how the days in Genesis cannot mean anything other than literal, ordianry days. You say this is wrong. Do you realize you are calling God and His Word a Liar? We can see that this is the only possible meaning.
He says that living things were brought forth from the Earth. I believe you are referring to Genesis 2:7.
Genesis 2:7
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
However, if this is to somehow advocate that evolution happened because man came 'from the earth', then you have proven all statements on this thread from evolutionists regarding evolution and entropy false.
If Genesis 2:7 means evolution, then so does Genesis 3:19.
Genesis 3:19
In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
According to your logic, you have just admitted that we are actually de-evolving. This, then, cancels out any evidence for evolution. If THAT is the case... that we are de-evolving... then that means all this 'evidence' and observation you guys claim shows evolution is dead wrong!
So once again... either Genesis is correct as it is plainly and literally written... that all life was created on earth within the span of 4 literal days from first life to man... or evolution is correct. To choose evolution is to reject the Bible's version of events, and ultimatly leads to the ability to dismiss Christ.
Fortunately, we know that there was much more time than that.
Unfortuneately for you, and for the other evolutionists here, the Bible only gives you a few literal days... and not millions of years. There is no other way to say this - Evolution is wrong. Evolution is of Satan. Evolution is evil. Evolution is a "high thing that exhaults itself against the knowlege of God". Evolution completely contradicts scripture.
