Jesus died on Wednesday, the 14th Nisan, 3 hours before the 15th of Nisan Annual High Day Sabbath.

[Alan Gross]

Jesus died on Wednesday, the 14th of Nisan,
3 hours before the 15th of Nisan Annual High Day Sabbath.

"The Passover High Sabbath or Feast Sabbath is the first major
or High Sabbath of the year (Exodus 23).

"It is in the Middle of the First Month, on the 15th of Nisan (Aviv).

"It is the day on which the Israelites came out of slavery in Egypt.

"For John it was important to point out the spiritual meaning:
Jesus died in our place (for us)
when the Passover lamb was slaughtered on the 14th of Aviv (Nisan)
at exactly the same time as the lambs were slaughtered,
around the 9th hour (3 p.m.).

"His death freed us from the slavery of death
and opened the door to eternal life.

"Therefore, the subsequent
High Feast Sabbath on the 15th of Nisan
is a day of great joy for all Jews and Christians,
a truly "great or High Sabbath".

"The biblical calendar calculation
is not based on days of the week, but on new moons.

"Although there are some years
in which the High Sabbath can fall on a Weekly Sabbath,
it is clear from other Bible passages,

(see Chapter 4. The Intermediate Day;
The One Day between the Two Sabbaths,

and Chapter 5. The Sign of the Messiah:
Three Days and Three Nights),

that this could not have been the case in the year of Jesus' crucifixion.

"That is why the Double Sabbath
(when the Yearly Sabbath
and the Weekly Sabbath coincide on the same day)
was not mentioned at all.

"Biblically there was never any mention
of a Friday and the following Saturday.

"Theologians have made this up.

"John makes this difference clear several times
when he speaks of the "preparation day of Passover" (John 19:14),
but not only of the "preparation day of the Sabbath",

and also mentions a few verses further
on the subsequent "High Sabbath" (John 19:31)
and not the normal small Weekly Sabbath.

"If there had been a double Sabbath, John would have written it.

"But just the fact that he points out the difference makes it clear
that there could not have been a double Sabbath this year.

"This also fits perfectly with the other biblical passages.

"A double Sabbath would only produce contradictions.

On the 14th Nisan, the Preparation Day
before the Yearly High Sabbath (15th Nisan),
Jesus was buried:

Matthew 27:57; "When it was evening,
there came a rich man from Arimathea,
named Joseph, who also was a disciple of Jesus.

58; He went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus.
Then Pilate ordered it to be given to him.

59; And Joseph took the body
and wrapped it in a clean linen shroud

60; and laid it in his own new tomb,
which he had cut in the rock.
And he rolled a great stone to the entrance of the tomb and went away.

61; Mary Magdalene and the other Mary were there,
sitting opposite the tomb" (Matthew 27:57-61).


Mark 15:42; "And when evening had come,
since it was the day of Preparation,
that is, the day before the Sabbath [High Sabbath, 15th Nisan],

43; Joseph of Arimathea, a respected member of the council,
who was also himself looking for the kingdom of God,
took courage and went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus.

44; Pilate was surprised to hear that He should have already died.
And summoning the centurion,
he asked him whether He was already dead.

45; And when he learned from the centurion that He was dead,
he granted the corpse to Joseph.

46; And Joseph bought a linen shroud, and taking Him down,
wrapped Him in the linen shroud and laid Him in a tomb
that had been cut out of the rock.

And he rolled a stone against the entrance of the tomb...."
(Mark 15:42-46).


Luke 23:50; "Now there was a man named Joseph,
from the Jewish town of Arimathea.
He was a member of the council, a good and righteous man,

51; who had not consented to their decision and action;
and he was looking for the kingdom of God.

52; This man went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus.

53; Then he took it down and wrapped it in a linen shroud
and laid Him in a tomb cut in stone, where no one had ever yet been laid.

54; It was the Day of Preparation,
and the Sabbath [High Sabbath, 15th Nisan] was beginning.

55; The women who had come with him from Galilee followed
and saw the tomb and how His body was laid" (Luke 23:50-55).


John19:38; "After these things Joseph of Arimathea,
who was a disciple of Jesus,
but secretly for fear of the Jews, asked Pilate
that he might take away the body of Jesus,
and Pilate gave him permission.
So he came and took away His body.

39; Nicodemus also, who earlier had come to Jesus by night,
came bringing a mixture of myrrh and aloes,
about seventy-five pounds in weight.

40; So they took the body of Jesus
and bound it in linen cloths with the spices,
as is the burial custom of the Jews.

41; Now in the place where He was crucified there was a garden,
and in the garden a new tomb in which no one had yet been laid.

42; So because of the Jewish Day of Preparation,
since the tomb was close at hand, they laid Jesus there" (John 19:38-42).

see: The 14th Nisan (A Preparation Day;
before the Sabbath High Day) was not before a double Sabbath.

 

[37818]

Jesus died on Wednesday, the 14th of Nisan,
3 hours before the 15th of Nisan Annual High Day Sabbath.

"The Passover High Sabbath or Feast Sabbath is the first major
or High Sabbath of the year (Exodus 23).

"It is in the Middle of the First Month, on the 15th of Nisan (Aviv).

"It is the day on which the Israelites came out of slavery in Egypt.

"For John it was important to point out the spiritual meaning:
Jesus died in our place (for us)
when the Passover lamb was slaughtered on the 14th of Aviv (Nisan)
at exactly the same time as the lambs were slaughtered,
around the 9th hour (3 p.m.).

"His death freed us from the slavery of death
and opened the door to eternal life.

"Therefore, the subsequent
High Feast Sabbath on the 15th of Nisan
is a day of great joy for all Jews and Christians,
a truly "great or High Sabbath".

"The biblical calendar calculation
is not based on days of the week, but on new moons.

"Although there are some years
in which the High Sabbath can fall on a Weekly Sabbath,
it is clear from other Bible passages,

(see Chapter 4. The Intermediate Day;
The One Day between the Two Sabbaths,

and Chapter 5. The Sign of the Messiah:
Three Days and Three Nights),

that this could not have been the case in the year of Jesus' crucifixion.

"That is why the Double Sabbath
(when the Yearly Sabbath
and the Weekly Sabbath coincide on the same day)
was not mentioned at all.

"Biblically there was never any mention
of a Friday and the following Saturday.

"Theologians have made this up.

"John makes this difference clear several times
when he speaks of the "preparation day of Passover" (John 19:14),
but not only of the "preparation day of the Sabbath",

and also mentions a few verses further
on the subsequent "High Sabbath" (John 19:31)
and not the normal small Weekly Sabbath.

"If there had been a double Sabbath, John would have written it.

"But just the fact that he points out the difference makes it clear
that there could not have been a double Sabbath this year.

"This also fits perfectly with the other biblical passages.

"A double Sabbath would only produce contradictions.

On the 14th Nisan, the Preparation Day
before the Yearly High Sabbath (15th Nisan),
Jesus was buried:

Matthew 27:57; "When it was evening,
there came a rich man from Arimathea,
named Joseph, who also was a disciple of Jesus.

58; He went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus.
Then Pilate ordered it to be given to him.

59; And Joseph took the body
and wrapped it in a clean linen shroud

60; and laid it in his own new tomb,
which he had cut in the rock.
And he rolled a great stone to the entrance of the tomb and went away.

61; Mary Magdalene and the other Mary were there,
sitting opposite the tomb" (Matthew 27:57-61).


Mark 15:42; "And when evening had come,
since it was the day of Preparation,
that is, the day before the Sabbath [High Sabbath, 15th Nisan],

43; Joseph of Arimathea, a respected member of the council,
who was also himself looking for the kingdom of God,
took courage and went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus.

44; Pilate was surprised to hear that He should have already died.
And summoning the centurion,
he asked him whether He was already dead.

45; And when he learned from the centurion that He was dead,
he granted the corpse to Joseph.

46; And Joseph bought a linen shroud, and taking Him down,
wrapped Him in the linen shroud and laid Him in a tomb
that had been cut out of the rock.

And he rolled a stone against the entrance of the tomb...."
(Mark 15:42-46).


Luke 23:50; "Now there was a man named Joseph,
from the Jewish town of Arimathea.
He was a member of the council, a good and righteous man,

51; who had not consented to their decision and action;
and he was looking for the kingdom of God.

52; This man went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus.

53; Then he took it down and wrapped it in a linen shroud
and laid Him in a tomb cut in stone, where no one had ever yet been laid.

54; It was the Day of Preparation,
and the Sabbath [High Sabbath, 15th Nisan] was beginning.

55; The women who had come with him from Galilee followed
and saw the tomb and how His body was laid" (Luke 23:50-55).


John19:38; "After these things Joseph of Arimathea,
who was a disciple of Jesus,
but secretly for fear of the Jews, asked Pilate
that he might take away the body of Jesus,
and Pilate gave him permission.
So he came and took away His body.

39; Nicodemus also, who earlier had come to Jesus by night,
came bringing a mixture of myrrh and aloes,
about seventy-five pounds in weight.

40; So they took the body of Jesus
and bound it in linen cloths with the spices,
as is the burial custom of the Jews.

41; Now in the place where He was crucified there was a garden,
and in the garden a new tomb in which no one had yet been laid.

42; So because of the Jewish Day of Preparation,
since the tomb was close at hand, they laid Jesus there" (John 19:38-42).

see: The 14th Nisan (A Preparation Day;
before the Sabbath High Day) was not before a double Sabbath.

Luke 24:20-21, . . . And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him. But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
Notice, it does not say it was the fourth day.

That third day being our Sunday.

 

[Alan Gross]

Notice, it does not say it was the fourth day.

Notice, it does not say it was the fourth day since Jesus was crucified.

& Notice, it does not say it was the third day since Jesus was crucified.

to day is the third day since these things were done.

Charles Taze Russell (1852-1916), Brooke Foss Westcott (1825–1901),
& Fenton John Anthony Hort (1828–1892)
all set out to write their own version of the Bible, from what I can understand.

I don't know what their version of the Bible says here,
because I don't bother looking most of the time.

However, unless you have also gone about
writing your own version of the Bible,
Luke 24:21 doesn't mention anything about the time
or day Jesus was crucified, either.

"But we were hoping that it was He who was going to redeem Israel.
Indeed, besides all this,
today is the third day since these things happened."

I don't suppose that there is any possibility
of you seeing what Luke 24:21c actually does say, is there?

So, this is a Bible Quiz; Can you 'pick up' on what Luke 24:21c says?

"...today is the third day since these things happened"?

What does that say? is what I'm looking for.

(Not so much, what 'you say' that it says.)

What does,
"...today is the third day since these things happened", say?

Then, what does it tell us about what we need to go by that it says?

I have a big series of hints for you, if they'd do any good.

And. alas, it's called 'context', which I don't know
if you give or take as anything pertinent.

Here is that passage in LUKE 24:13-21;

13 And, behold, two of them were going that same day
to a village called Emmaus,
being a distance sixty furlongs from Jerusalem.

14 And they talked together of all these things which had happened.

15 And it came to pass, while they were communing together
and reasoning, Jesus himself had drawn near, and went with them.

16 But their eyes were held so as not to know him.

17 And he said to them, What words are these
which you exchange with one another, as you walk, and are sad?

18 And the one whose name was Cleopas answered
and said to Him,
Are you the only stranger in Jerusalem,
and have you not known the things
which happened in it in these days?

19 And He said to them, What things?
And they said to Him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth,
who was a prophet powerful in deed and word before God
and all the people:

20 And how the chief priests and our rulers
delivered Him to condemnation of death, and crucified Him.

21 But we were hoping that it was He
Who was about to redeem Israel:
and beside all this,
today is the third day since these things happened.
...

 

[Alan Gross]

That third day being our Sunday.

"That third day being our Sunday",
does not say that Sunday was the third day since Jesus was crucified.

Since, you have been having a Happy 'Good Friday', chances are
that you will blow all this off and still stick with a Friday crucifixtion,
so, you won't believe this but,

The question to ask is,

What are "THESE THINGS" that these men referred to?
- from where this three day period started.

To know the answer we must look back at the previous verses
to see what they were referring to.

I have those significant words,
in those verses in the previous post, above,
shown in bold purple, in that Luke 24 passage.

Here they are, in verse 18 Cleopas said to Jesus,
"Are you only sojourning in Jerusalem,
and have not known the things
which came to pass there in these days?"

Then in verse 19 Jesus asked him a question, "What things?"

Well this is what we need to know, so look at his reply;
"Concerning Jesus of Nazareth,
Who was a Prophet powerful in deed
and word before God and all the people."

So the things that "these things" referred to in verse 21
are the things "concerning Jesus of Nazareth".

This would include His arrest, trial, crucifixion, death,
the piercing of his side, his removal from the cross,
the anointing of his body, his burial,
and the sealing of the tomb on the following day.

With a Wednesday crucifixtion, "the next day" would be Thursday.

(Matthew 27:62) "And on the next day,
which is after the preparation,
the chief priests and Pharisees had gathered together to Pilate,

63 Saying, Sir, we remembered that that deceiver said,
while He was living, After three days I will arise.

64 Command therefore that the tomb be secured until the third day,
lest His disciples coming by night, steal Him away,
and say to the people, He was raised from the dead:
and the last deception shall be worse than the first.

65 Pilate said to them, You have a guard:
go your way, make it as sure as you know how.

66 So when they had gone, they made the tomb secure,
sealing the stone, with a guard."

The tomb was sealed on Thursday,
provided the crucifixtion was on Wednesday.

By that, we then count, Thursday to Friday as 1 day,
Friday to Saturday as the 2nd day,
and Saturday to Sunday as the 3rd day.

And we know for sure that this conversation on the Emmaus road
took place on Sunday afternoon.

This we know because it is said to be "on the same day" (Luke 24:13),
which refers back to "on the first day of the week" (Luke 24:1 KJV)
or "on one day from the Sabbath" (Luke 24:1 RPT).

THEN:

How can we know that this sealing of the tomb
was one of the events included in "these things" (Luke 24:21)?

Here are some reasons:

(1) The meeting of the scribes and Pharisees
with Pontius Pilate (in Matthew 27:62-66)
was "about", "concerning", or "to do with" Jesus.

The sealing of the tomb was "about", "concerning",
or "to do with" Jesus, which is what the Greek word περὶ (Gtr. peri) translated "concerning" (Luke 24:19) means.

So the "things" that the disciples were talking about,
"Concerning Jesus of Nazareth" (Luke 24:19),
would have included the sealing of the tomb,

(which would have taken place on Thursday,
given a Wednesday crucifixtion, Nison 14,

Leviticus 23:5;
"In the fourteenth day of the first month at even
is the LORD'S passover."

Exodus 12:6; "And ye shall keep it up
until the fourteenth day of the same month:..."

It cannot be said that "the things
which came to pass there in these days", in Luke 24:18 and following
only refers to events that happened while Jesus was alive,

because 'peri' is often used in other places concerning dead people,
and Jesus after he died;
(Matthew 17:13, Acts 1:16, 25:9, 28:23, 28:31,
1 Thessalonians 4:13, 1 John 5:9, 5:10, Jude 1:9).

(2) If the events referred to were only his arrest, trial, crucifixion,
and death, and nothing after, then the disciples
would have been referring to events
\that happened "on that day" - the Passover.

But they referred to,
"the things which came to pass there in these days" (Luke 24:18).

Note the plural "days",
and note also that the word "there"
refers to "in Jerusalem" (Luke 24:18).

So they must have referred to events on more than one day,
namely 14th and 15th Nisan, the Passover
and the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread.

They were not referring to events that happened before this
because Jesus did not enter into Jerusalem
until the day of the Passover (Matthew 26:17-18, Mark 14:12-13).

(3) After the sealing of the tomb,
little is recorded in scripture of anything that happened
until the women came to the tomb on Sunday morning.

There are therefore two complete days, the 16th and 17th of Nisan,
where nothing is recorded about what the Romans
or the Jews did concerning Jesus.

Sunday was therefore
the third day after the sealing of the tomb.

This is the same third day that the chief priests
and the Pharisees mentioned when they said,
"Command therefore that the tomb be secured
until the third day" (Matthew 27:64).

This referred to the day after the Sabbath (Sunday)
as the guards were still there that morning (Matthew 28:4);

Sunday = the same day that the disciples were on the Emmaus road.

This is what "this is the third day" (Luke 24:21) refers to,
(i.e., the "third day", since the sealing of the tomb).

Ahhh,....Oppps...that gives you the answer
to the question I was asking you.

Peradventure, however, on the other hand;

You are not going to believe any of this anyway, from the word go,
because your mind is set on a Friday crucifixtion,
whether the Word of God pecks at you heart
with all "these things", or not.

So, I went ahead and spilled the beans....
I let the cat out of the bag,
or as we say down south,
"I dune told ya, now!"

 

[Alan Gross]

and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.

So, again according to Luke they were talking about,
"all these things which had happened." (Luke 24:14).

This is the inspired writer of scripture who wrote this,
not some statement by someone who could have been mistaken,
and "all these things which had happened"
would certainly have included the sealing of the tomb.

In a nutshell, the statement of Jesus' disciples on the Emmaus road,
"today is the third day since these things happened" (Luke 24:21)

is explained as;

being the time from the last recorded scriptural event
concerning Jesus, the sealing of the tomb,
until the day the disciples met Jesus on the Emmaus road.

Interestingly enough,
when Jesus referred to His Resurrection "on the third day",
He was using the day of His death as the starting point,

but a different starting point (one day later) is used here by Cleopas.

Therefore, while Jesus' "third day" was the Sabbath,
Cleopas' "third day" was on Sunday.

Therefore, the Emmaus road encounter is not proof
that Jesus did not die on a Wednesday,
nor proof that He rose on Sunday morning.

 

[JD731]

Sunday was therefore
the third day after the sealing of the tomb.

That is not what Luke said, He said it was the same day. The same day as what?

Lu 24:13 And, behold, two of them went that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem about threescore furlongs.

This is not rocket science like you are trying to make it. Just read what was said happened before in that day and believe it. Here it is.

Lk 24:1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain [others] with them.
2 And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre.
3 And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus.
4 And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments:
5 And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead?
6 He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee,
7 Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.
8 And they remembered his words,
9 And returned from the sepulchre, and told all these things unto the eleven, and to all the rest.
10 It was Mary Magdalene, and Joanna, and Mary the mother of James, and other women that were with them, which told these things unto the apostles.
11 And their words seemed to them as idle tales, and they believed them not.
12 Then arose Peter, and ran unto the sepulchre; and stooping down, he beheld the linen clothes laid by themselves, and departed, wondering in himself at that which was come to pass.

Answer from the text. It was the same day as THE EVENTS OF VERSES 1 THROUGH 12.

Lu 24:33 And they rose up the same hour, and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven gathered together, and them that were with them,
34 Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon.
35 And they told what things [were done] in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread.
36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace [be] unto you.
37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.


Joh 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first [day] of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace [be] unto you.
20 And when he had so said, he shewed unto them [his] hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord.
21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace [be] unto you: as [my] Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
22 And when he had said this, he breathed on [them], and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; [and] whose soever [sins] ye retain, they

Mr 16:9 ¶ Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
10 And she went and told them that had been with him, as they mourned and wept.
11 And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not.


12 After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.
13 And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them.

Mr 16:14 ¶ Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.

The same day is the day of the resurrection which is the first day of the week, the day after the sabbath. Thus sayeth the scriptures.

Mr 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

Lu 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

You greatly err.

 

[JonC]

I don't think a Sabbath 3rd day works.

But I'm not sure I understand (we may not be disagreeing). The tomb was found empty very early Sunday morning, which is the reason Chriatians gathered as a church (as opposed to early Jewish Christians attending the Temple as was their custom on Saturday).

I am not sure about how you describe the 15th.

I agree it was a "sabbath" in terms of the rules with the exception of meal oreperation. I use "Sabbath" to emphasize that.

But 15 Nisan was not a high Sabbath. It was not really a Sabbath at all.

That said, the two dates that work for the crucifixion are Wed. Nisan 14 30 AD and Fri. 14 Nisan 33 AD.


The choice depends on whether we use a Jewish method of counting days (which would put it on Friday) or a Western method (which would land on Wednesday); ideas about Tiberius (some suggest a co-rulership to justify 30AD, therefore a Wed), and whether an actual high day landed on the Sabbath (which woukd make the crucifixion be a Friday).

 

[JD731]

Lu 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

One must look for little caveats like the above to determine truth. The sabbath during which Jesus lay 24 hours in the tomb was not a ceremonial sabbath. It was the sabbath commanded by the Law of Moses. It was the 4th commandment of the 10..

The symbolism must be that Jesus rested the entire sabbath day because he had finished his work of redemption. When he said "it is finished" he was still working until that statement when he dismissed his soul from his body. physical death at 3 PM. When he rose from the dead on the first day of the new week it was to begin a new epoch, a new age, a new covenant, a new body a new bride a new man fit for a new heaven and a new earth with a new body fitted to abide in a new Jerusalem. To teach it any other way is to confuse the symbolism that God had established over 4000 years of history at that time but would come increasingly clear to his church when taught by the Spirit sent down from heaven.

Jesus Christ rose from the dead on what we know as Sunday, the first day of the week and it was not at the end of the day, it was early in the morning. God has pictured this with the rising and setting of the sun now for 6000 years. The heavens declare the glory of God. His glory is manifested with his appearing among us after having finished his work. The Sun gives light for the whole world.
Ps 19:4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,
5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.
6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.

So, counting backward, Sunday is one of the three days.
Saturday is one of the three days. the sabbath of rest, when he lay in the tomb the whole day.
Friday, is one of the three days.

16 And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.
17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

Now we know the purpose for the Sabbath law. It was about Jesus Christ and he fulfilled the sabbath law without breaking it when he lay in the tomb, his soul being in Paradise, and the spirit being in heaven. Very soon Israel, who has corresponding prophecies, will enter their one thousand years as one day but not before she endures horrific tribulation similar to how Jesus suffered on the cross before his sabbath began. The purpose is the same for both, to purge out sin. Read Revelation 21 and 22. All things are new after the 7th day Sabbath. It is an eternal day and there is no darkness ever again. All things will forever be new.

Mt 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.

God was not present when Jesus Christ suffered his last 3 hours when the world turned dark and he will not be present when his people Israel suffers their 3 years great tribulation just before their sabbath rest when they are raised from the dead. Everything points to a Friday Crucifixion.

 

[JonC]

God was not present when Jesus Christ suffered his last 3 hours when the world turned dark and he will not be present when his people Israel suffers their 3 years great tribulation just before their sabbath rest when they are raised from the dead. Everything points to a Friday Crucifixion.

I agree that everything, in terms of dating the crucifixion, points to Friday.

I am not sure what you mean when you say "God was not present when Jesus Christ suffered his last 3 hours when the world turned dark" as Jesus never ceased being God.

But I agree on your method of working backwards.

 

[JD731]

I agree that everything, in terms of dating the crucifixion, points to Friday.

I am not sure what you mean when you say "God was not present when Jesus Christ suffered his last 3 hours when the world turned dark" as Jesus never ceased being God.

But I agree on your method of working backwards.

Well JonC I can understand why my statement might seem strange. However, the scriptures says Great is the "mystery of godliness," speaking of Jesus Christ. But one thing is true, God cannot die and death is the penalty of sin. Rom 6:23. So, God and man must reconcile how Jesus Christ the Son of God can die as the substitute for sinful man. Is his death physical only? Well, it was for sure physical when he dismissed his soul from his body and his body became lifeless on the tree because his soul was departed from it and went to paradise in the center of the earth. That is the meaning of death. Separation. This life of the flesh is said in the scriptures to be in the blood. Jesus shed his blood and died. But that was not all it was. There is such a thing as spiritual death

The blood is not the life of God. We all who are born of Adam have the life of the flesh but none of us have the life of God. Until the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ only two men ever possessed the life of God, Adam, his creation and Jesus his only begotten Son. Both men died spiritually first and then physically. These are the only two men who are said to be in the image of God until after the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead when all saved men are said to be in his image. These same two men are the only two men until after the resurrection of Jesus Christ who are said to be the son of God. The image is trinitarian and for the Bible believer, meaning someone who believes the words of scriptures and not just the idea, this is easy to prove.

It is proven by Adam that a man can live physically without the life of God because Adam, created in the image of God, a trinity, possessing the Spirit of God who is the life of God in his body with his soul, his soul defining his personhood, live for 930 years after he died spiritually and before he died physically. The very fact that Jesus Christ, who never sinned and was not under the penalty of sin, which is death, both spiritual death first and then physically death, went to the cross as a trinitarian man. The Spirit of God was indwelling him from conception. It can be no other way. Had Jesus Christ come down from the cross before 12 noon no one would have redemption because the debt of sin would have not been paid. Jesus would not yet have died spiritually on the cross. I remind the reader that Jesus died spiritually for the same reason the first man died. He had sin on him.

If God the Spirit was in his body he could not have suffered the wrath of God for sin and died, being separated from God. The member of the Godhead who suffered and died for us was the Son of God, not the Son of God and the Spirit of God. As it were when the sin of the world was laid upon him he cried My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me? He did not call God his Father and name the Spirit because he was dying as a sinner would die, without a relationship with God, separated from God and under his wrath. That is what death is, a separation, a departure. The Spirit who is the life of God departed his body and returned to Heaven leaving Jesus alone when the sin was poured out on him. The proof of that is that the world went dark among other physical disturbances. The absence of God is darkness.

I will insert one scripture here though there are many I could quote to help you see this.

Joh 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

The world was dark until redemption was finished by death. Jesus had paid the penalty for sin and now the purpose of the cross is that all men born of Adam may be born of God and receive the life of God, his Spirit, that was poured out of the body of Jesus and that all men can be restored to the image of God, their sins being atoned for by a perfect man who God raised from the dead. This transaction is by repentance of sins and faith in the promise of God the Father to give his gift of life to any man and every man who will receive it before they die physically.

For as it is appointed unto man once to die , and after this the judgement. No man can be in the presence of God and live unless he is in his image, a trinity. This is why no one but saved men saw Jesus glorified after his resurrection except saved people.

Everyone must understand who Jesus is and what he has done for us and they must be born again of the Spirit of God because religion alone cannot save anyone. The scriptures admonishes us to examine ourselves to see if we are in the faith lest we be reprobates. 2 Cor 13:5. The importance of this cannot be overstated There is much deception in the world and there is a real devil.

To keep this short I have quoted very little scriptures from which I am making my arguments but I can quote scriptures for them if asked. I know some here have not thought of God and the cross in this way but all I am asking is that you consider it. Truly we have so great salvation in Christ Jesus. Praise his wonderful name.

 

[percho]

I don't think a Sabbath 3rd day works.

But I'm not sure I understand (we may not be disagreeing). The tomb was found empty very early Sunday morning, which is the reason Chriatians gathered as a church (as opposed to early Jewish Christians attending the Temple as was their custom on Saturday).

I am not sure about how you describe the 15th.

I agree it was a "sabbath" in terms of the rules with the exception of meal oreperation. I use "Sabbath" to emphasize that.

But 15 Nisan was not a high Sabbath. It was not really a Sabbath at all.

That said, the two dates that work for the crucifixion are Wed. Nisan 14 30 AD and Fri. 14 Nisan 33 AD.


The choice depends on whether we use a Jewish method of counting days (which would put it on Friday) or a Western method (which would land on Wednesday); ideas about Tiberius (some suggest a co-rulership to justify 30AD, therefore a Wed), and whether an actual high day landed on the Sabbath (which woukd make the crucifixion be a Friday).

Here is a thought.

At the time Lazarus had died Jesus had asked, "Are there not twelve hours in a day,"?

Now i assume he was speaking of the amount of light relative to darkness. However is that even relevant as when Jesus had said, "and be killed, and after three days rise again.

Does that not have to have at least three, twelve hour periods, relative to what Jesus had said when Lazarus had died?

As to the 15th. It was a holy convocation day. A day on which there was to be no servile work. What ever that means. Me thinks it was one of the days considered a sabbath. Just as the first day of the seventh month was a sabbath.

The women bought spices after a sabbath and they prepared spices on a work day and rested a sabbath?

How unless there was a special sabbath a work day the seventh day sabbath and next day went to the tomb and found it empty?

That is what scripture say took place.

Posted this before I saw your thread in the 15th.

 

[percho]

You Greek gurus can work on this.

larrywishon.com/Luke 24_21.php

 

[AVL1984]

Never have understood why people fight over the day that Jesus died. The fact of the matter is THAT he died for our sins, was buried, and rose again, Our salvation depends not upon which day he died. It only depends upon his finished work...and he proclaimed that IT IS FINISHED just before he gave up the ghost.

 

[JD731]

Never have understood why people fight over the day that Jesus died. The fact of the matter is THAT he died for our sins, was buried, and rose again, Our salvation depends not upon which day he died. It only depends upon his finished work...and he proclaimed that IT IS FINISHED just before he gave up the ghost.

Nothing that God says or does is unimportant. God took 4000 years before the week of the crucifixion to establish types and figures and ceremonies and more so there would be no doubt of who he is when he came because he filled all those types.

Lk 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
28 And they drew nigh unto the village, whither they went: and he made as though he would have gone further.
29 But they constrained him, saying, Abide with us: for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent. And he went in to tarry with them.
30 And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them.
31 And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.

This is what I desire. Having my eyes opened. How many things could you find in the OT that validated the ministry and person of Jesus Christ if called upon to do so?

Here is the prayer of my apostle to the Father for me and my prayer is that he will answer Paul's prayer.

Eph 1:15 Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,
16 Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers;
17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

I say Amen! It does matter what day our Lord was raised from the dead because it has prophetic implications.

 

[JonC]

Nothing that God says or does is unimportant. God took 4000 years before the week of the crucifixion to establish types and figures and ceremonies and more so there would be no doubt of who he is when he came because he filled all those type4s.

Lk 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
28 And they drew nigh unto the village, whither they went: and he made as though he would have gone further.
29 But they constrained him, saying, Abide with us: for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent. And he went in to tarry with them.
30 And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them.
31 And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.

This is what I desire. Having my opened. How many things could you find in the OT that validated the ministry and person of Jesus Christ if called upon to do so?

Here is the prayer of my apostle to the Father for me and my prayer is that he will answer Paul's prayer.

Eph 1:15 Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,
16 Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers;
17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him [to be] the head over all things to the church,
23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

I say Amen! It does matter what day our Lord was raised from the dead because it has prophetic implications.

I think his point is it dies not matter what day He died.

We know Jesus was raised on Sunday. This is the reason the church met on Sunday as a congregation (so I agree that was important).

If we use a Jewish calendar He died on Thursday night or Friday before sunset. Given the time of the sun being darkened, He died on Friday around 3pm.

If we use a Western Calendar He died on Wendsday around 3pm.

But either way He arose on Sunday.

 

[37818]

You Greek gurus can work on this.

larrywishon.com/Luke 24_21.php

I am no Greek guru.

That day understood to be the third day since those events being the first day of the week.

* Our Sunday being the third day since.
* Our Saturday being the second day since.
* Our Friday being the first day since. [ Or Friday is simply the day. There being no day zero in the count. ]

 

[37818]

Never have understood why people fight over the day that Jesus died. The fact of the matter is THAT he died for our sins, was buried, and rose again, Our salvation depends not upon which day he died. It only depends upon his finished work...and he proclaimed that IT IS FINISHED just before he gave up the ghost.

I had no reason originally not to accept the Friday crucifixion.

R. A. Torrey in his book "Difficulties in the Bible," proposed a Wednesday crucifixion to explain Matthew12:40.

 

[percho]

I am no Greek guru.

That day understood to be the third day since those events being the first day of the week.

* Our Sunday being the third day since.
* Our Saturday being the second day since.
* Our Friday being the first day since. [ Or Friday is simply the day. There being no day zero in the count. ]

I believe the writer is saying that the Greek implies that Cleopas was saying that the first day of the week was passing from the third day of which Jesus had said he would rise from the dead. In other words the first day of the week was the fourth day from the crucifixion and was just about to pass into the fifth day, when Jesus revealed himself through the breaking of bread.

 

[37818]

I believe the writer is saying that the Greek implies that Cleopas was saying that the first day of the week was passing from the third day of which Jesus had said he would rise from the dead. In other words the first day of the week was the fourth day from the crucifixion and was just about to pass into the fifth day, when Jesus revealed himself through the breaking of bread.

We disagee. Luke 24:20-21 {απο} rules out a Wedensday crucifixion. In Jude 1:14, And Enoch also, the seventh from {απο} Adam, . . . Adam is one. So in Luke 24:21 Friday could be the first day. [ If not, since Thursday. ]

 

[AVL1984]

I think his point is it dies not matter what day He died.

We know Jesus was raised on Sunday. This is the reason the church met on Sunday as a congregation (so I agree that was important).

If we use a Jewish calendar He died on Thursday night or Friday before sunset. Given the time of the sun being darkened, He died on Friday around 3pm.

If we use a Western Calendar He died on Wendsday around 3pm.

But either way He arose on Sunday.

Exactly...but Christians are so all fire set on arguing about things like this. There's no clear indication about what day he died...let's keep our eyes on the ball and stop arguing over minors when there are so many MAJOR things that are before us..