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Jesus VS today’s gospel of the kingdom

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church mouse guy

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Animal sacrifice in a supposed third temple replaces Christ's sacrifice on the cross. Ezekiel says it is the real thing. But you miss that it was a symbol of Christ's Death for sin when you make it part of a supposed millennium.

I am not doing it--the Jews are planning to do it. It doesn't replace anything for the Jews and I already told you that I think that it is futile but I also think that Santeria is futile.

I just edited by above post to note that I just learned that God's rainbow has 7 colors but the satanic rainbow pride flag only has 6 colors.
 

1689Dave

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I am not doing it--the Jews are planning to do it. It doesn't replace anything for the Jews and I already told you that I think that it is futile but I also think that Santeria is futile.

I just edited by above post to note that I just learned that God's rainbow has 7 colors but the satanic rainbow pride flag only has 6 colors.
It's an unforgivable sin no matter who does it. How can any be saved who preach and approve of it?
 

church mouse guy

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It's an unforgivable sin no matter who does it. How can any be saved who preach and approve of it?

I asked you twice what verse that you are talking about in Hebrews 6 and I quoted the entire chapter for you and you have yet to pinpoint the Scripture for me. Do you think that that is right? Did you give me the right chapter?
 

37818

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I just edited by above post to note that I just learned that God's rainbow has 7 colors but the satanic rainbow pride flag only has 6 colors.
This is a side issue. The colors (letters) ROYGBIV are the 7. The 6 being ROYGBV. Many people cannot distinguish indigo from blue. Red is 700 nanometers wavelength. Yellow is 600 nanometers. Green-blue is 500 nanometers and violet is 400. The 7 colors are not in equal wavelength ranges.
 

church mouse guy

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This is a side issue. The colors (letters) ROYGBIV are the 7. The 6 being ROYGBV. Many people cannot distinguish indigo from blue. Red is 700 nanometers wavelength. Yellow is 600 nanometers. Green-blue is 500 nanometers and violet is 400. The 7 colors are not in equal wavelength ranges.

The devil has a different flag, doesn't he?
 

1689Dave

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I asked you twice what verse that you are talking about in Hebrews 6 and I quoted the entire chapter for you and you have yet to pinpoint the Scripture for me. Do you think that that is right? Did you give me the right chapter?
You must not understand the passage. It clearly says Hebrews who fall away from Christ (return to Judaism) are forever damned. This happens in the so-called Millennium not only to "Jews" but the whole world that must offer animal sacrifices in the "third temple". So as anyone can see, Premillennialism ends in damnation for all who follow through with it. I believe it also holds true for any expecting to do this if given the opportunity.
 

church mouse guy

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You must not understand the passage. It clearly says Hebrews who fall away from Christ (return to Judaism) are forever damned. This happens in the so-called Millennium not only to "Jews" but the whole world that must offer animal sacrifices in the "third temple". So as anyone can see, Premillennialism ends in damnation for all who follow through with it. I believe it also holds true for any expecting to do this if given the opportunity.

How can you fall away from Christ if you rejected Him outright to begin with?
 

1689Dave

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Please provide scriptural reference(s) to support your belief.
Read Ezekiel on the temple, literally instead of like you are supposed to. And it will be millennial law for the whole world. Have the Dispensationalists defend their position.
 
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George Antonios

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Now imagine writing:

Jesus taught the kingdom is spiritual. The Pharisees taught the kingdom is physical. Jesus preached a kingdom of faith. The Pharisees preached a kingdom of sight. Jesus said the kingdom was present, the Pharisees said it was future

Every heresy is a half-truth.
 

church mouse guy

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Are you saying all professing Christ are saved? How about those the Father has not planted that he up-roots?

I am saying that the Jews rejected Christianity so how could they fall away? And how could their future animal sacrifice be significant since it will be void and vain?
 

1689Dave

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I am saying that the Jews rejected Christianity so how could they fall away? And how could their future animal sacrifice be significant since it will be void and vain?
Hebrews 6 refers to superficial Jewish converts who reject Christ and return to Judaism. It means they are reprobate. Those who look for a valid return of temple sacrifices are like unto them.
 

church mouse guy

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Hebrews 6 refers to superficial Jewish converts who reject Christ and return to Judaism. It means they are reprobate. Those who look for a valid return of temple sacrifices are like unto them.

Well, I am not talking about Christians who revert to Judaism but Jews who rejected Christianity so Hebrews 6 would not apply.

Jews are lost but I don't understand how their reinstatement of animal sacrifice is any worse than any other theological error, do you?
 

1689Dave

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Well, I am not talking about Christians who revert to Judaism but Jews who rejected Christianity so Hebrews 6 would not apply.

Jews are lost but I don't understand how their reinstatement of animal sacrifice is any worse than any other theological error, do you?
It very much applies. God uproots all he did not plant. And he is doing so with those who cannot see the Kingdom as preached by Jesus. Only the born-again can see it. The rest end in apostasy especially if you follow Premillennialism to its end.
 

Yeshua1

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Jesus VS today’s gospel of the kingdom


“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations, and then shall the end come.” Matthew 24:14 (NCPB)

When Jesus says “this gospel of the kingdom”, he means the one he preached and not the one the Pharisees preached. But many today replace his kingdom with the Pharisee’s kingdom and believe that gospel instead.

The main difference between Jesus’ kingdom and the Pharisee’s kingdom is their make-up. Jesus taught the kingdom is spiritual. The Pharisees taught the kingdom is physical. Jesus preached a kingdom of faith. The Pharisees preached a kingdom of sight. Jesus said the kingdom was present, the Pharisees said it was future., If you put it into theological terms, Jesus preached Amillennialism and the Pharisees preached Millennialism.

But today, many side with the Pharisees and substitute their Millennialism as the kingdom Jesus preached which makes it a false gospel. Following are many proof texts that show Jesus taught an Amillennial kingdom only.

Please consider the spiritual nature of the Kingdom:

“And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” (Matthew 3:2) (KJV 1900)

“And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.” (Matthew 11:12) (KJV 1900)

“Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.” (Matthew 16:28) (KJV 1900)

“Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.” (1 Corinthians 15:50)

“Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” (John 3:3) (KJV 1900)

“Jesus answered, “I tell you the solemn truth, unless a person is born of water and spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.” (John 3:5)

“Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.” (John 18:36) (KJV 1900)

“And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:” (Luke 17:20) (KJV 1900)

“Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.” (Luke 17:21) (KJV 1900)

“But if I cast out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has already overtaken you.” (Luke 11:20)

“The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.” Luke 16:16 (KJV 1900)

“because we are not looking at what can be seen but at what cannot be seen. For what can be seen is temporary, but what cannot be seen is eternal.” (2 Corinthians 4:18)

“Now when the people saw the miraculous sign that Jesus performed, they began to say to one another, “This is certainly the Prophet who is to come into the world.” Then Jesus, because he knew they were going to come and seize him by force to make him king, withdrew again up the mountainside alone.” (John 6:14–15)

“He delivered us from the power of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of the Son he loves,” (Colossians 1:13)

“When Jesus saw that he answered intelligently, He said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And no one dared to question Him any longer.” (Mark 12:34) (HCSB)

“for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit.” (Romans 14:17) (HCSB)

“I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.” Revelation 1:9 (NASB95)

“But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.” Acts 8:12 (KJV 1900)

“That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory.” 1 Thessalonians 2:12 (KJV 1900)

“And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.” Acts 19:8 (KJV 1900)

“And when thy days [David] be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.” 2 Samuel 7:12–13 (KJV 1900)

So when Jesus preached the gospel of the spiritual kingdom, the Pharisees rejected him because it wasn’t what they expected. According to Daniel, God set up his everlasting kingdom in the time of the Roman Empire. But since the Pharisees read the kingdom prophecies as you would a cook-book, they rejected Jesus not grasping that he based his spiritual kingdom on prophetic symbols. This meant, Jesus in teaching a spiritual kingdom, revealed all the kingdom prophecies used material symbols to represent the spiritual realities in the kingdom of God. Some examples follow.

Where the Pharisees sought a third temple saw by Ezekiel, Jesus claimed he is the temple. In fact the Jews killed him over this. Saying if they destroy this temple, speaking of his body, he would raise it up in three days.

Where the Pharisees expected Elijah’s return, according to Jesus, John the Baptist came in the spirit and power of Elijah instead.

Where the Pharisees expected David’s descendant to reestablish and rule from his throne over the world in Jerusalem, scripture teaches that Jesus now sits on David’s throne in heavenly Jerusalem above.

And so it remains today. Many look for the prophetic symbols to appear instead of what they represent. And read the kingdom prophecies as the Pharisees did. And look for a future physical kingdom of sight. But some read the prophets symbolically as Jesus and the disciples taught, and see their fulfillment now by faith in his present spiritual kingdom over the world. Which is the gospel of the kingdom Jesus told us to preach until the end.
The Kingdom was spiritual at first coming, but shall be physical at his Second one!
 

Yeshua1

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It's not the same kingdom. Jesus preached a spiritual kingdom. Today they preach the Pharisee's physical kingdom. You can laugh but you cannot prove me wrong.
Messianic Age is not here yet, as KIng not physically present!
 
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