Jesus walking over the sea

[Baptist boy]

Yes Jesus did literaly walk on water but I think there is a deeper meaning like how it was storming and the disciples were probably afriad of the sea and here comes Jesus walking over the very thing they are afriad of telling them not to be afriad and they actually didn't know it was him at first. It shows how that during bad times Jesus will come having complete control over the situation and most of the time we ma not even know it's him coming to help us.

 

[freeatlast]

Goinheix
If the Lord was on dry land or even standing in shallow water then I suppose that poor old Peter must have stepped off the boat into a hole, but it does not explain how he did not sink right away not to mention that the boat must have been over the same hole to get so close to land where the Lord could lift Peter up out of the water when he sank. No my friend the Lord walked on water just like the translation says, and now I am just guessing, but I would guess that He never even got wet.

 

[annsni]

Goinheix
If the Lord was on dry land or even standing in shallow water then I suppose that poor old Peter must have stepped off the boat into a hole, but it does not explain how he did not sink right away not to mention that the boat must have been over the same hole to get so close to land where the Lord could lift Peter up out of the water when he sank. No my friend the Lord walked on water just like the translation says, and now I am just guessing, but I would guess that He never even got wet.

Kind of reminds me of those people saying that Moses and the Israelites really crossed the REED Sea and it was low tide or something. Which makes it a miracle still because even horses drowned!! LOL

 

[freeatlast]

Kind of reminds me of those people saying that Moses and the Israelites really crossed the REED Sea and it was low tide or something. Which makes it a miracle still because even horses drowned!! LOL

Yes I have heard that also from some and it is always amusing and sad.

 

[convicted1]

This is discussion that it is not closed. It has nothing to do with any other thread (except for the one named "did Jesus wlked over the water?"). The discussion on if Jesus did or did not walked over the water started in another thread; but this present thread is not intended to revive or continue the main disscusion on that original thread. To disscus the other issue we had an own and proper thread. That thread was closed and we have to asume that the discusion on that topic was long enough and it was nothing left to say.

I will apreciate if we can focus in this very topic without going back to the topic just closed.

Did Jesus walked over the water in the fashion that all of as picture and visulize? Or is the Gospel saying something different that we can not see because of the traditional interpretation?

First off, when you talk about my Jesus, you must talk about Him in two ways; one as a Man, and one as God. He WAS/IS God/Man. Here is what the OT said about what He would look like in the flesh:

Isa. 53:1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?

2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.

So in the flesh, He was no different than us. He ate, slept, ached, cried, bled, sweated, etc. What set Him apart from us was His soul. He was/is God manifested in the flesh.

In Revelation chapter 1, you can read about what He looks like now, in His glorified body. Also, you can read about what He looked like when He transformed Himself on the mountain before Peter, James, and John. In the flesh, He was the same as us, but His soul is what set Him apart. He was able to walk upon the water, He was able to touch the coffin of the widow woman's son, and bring him back to life. He was able to heal the woman with the twelve years issue of blood. He was able to give blind Bartimaues sight by anointing them with clay and spit, etc. To deny these as divine attributes, is out and out heresy. Plain and simple, point blank heresy.

 

[Iconoclast]

First off, when you talk about my Jesus, you must talk about Him in two ways; one as a Man, and one as God. He WAS/IS God/Man. Here is what the OT said about what He would look like in the flesh:

Isa. 53:1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?

2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.

So in the flesh, He was no different than us. He ate, slept, ached, cried, bled, sweated, etc. What set Him apart from us was His soul. He was/is God manifested in the flesh.

In Revelation chapter 1, you can read about what He looks like now, in His glorified body. Also, you can read about what He looked like when He transformed Himself on the mountain before Peter, James, and John. In the flesh, He was the same as us, but His soul is what set Him apart. He was able to walk upon the water, He was able to touch the coffin of the widow woman's son, and bring him back to life. He was able to heal the woman with the twelve years issue of blood. He was able to give blind Bartimaues sight by anointing them with clay and spit, etc. To deny these as divine attributes, is out and out heresy. Plain and simple, point blank heresy.

Correct willis....well said....:thumbsup::thumbsup::type::thumbsup:

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

According to me, Peter did get out of the boat, believing to be in deep, and steped in the shallow. The traditional onterpretation is all hapeniong in the deep waters.

According to you as opposed to according to eyewitnesses. Hmm, who will I trust?

Probably my account in not much acurate...

This much is true.

 

[David Lamb]

JBH28 wrote: "peripateō is a verb and means to walk"

Then you wrote:

I am not good in english but it dont mean walking.
Jesus walked upon the Sea; not across or over.

It must be very difficult for you, or anyone whose first language is not English, to understand exactly what other people are saying in their messages, and to write posts yourself in what to you is a foreign language.

However, peripateō is not an English word. It is Greek. It does mean "to walk".

It must even more difficult for you to write in one foreign language, English, about words in another foreign language, Greek.

 

[Goinheix]

47 And when even was come, the ship was in the midst of the sea, and he alone on the land.

48 And he saw them toiling in rowing; for the wind was contrary unto them: and about the fourth watch of the night he cometh unto them, walking upon the sea, and would have passed by them.


Jesus was alone, unaware of the situation and only he did something when he saw tehm toiling in rowing. That is the Bible.

 

[annsni]

47 And when even was come, the ship was in the midst of the sea, and he alone on the land.

48 And he saw them toiling in rowing; for the wind was contrary unto them: and about the fourth watch of the night he cometh unto them, walking upon the sea, and would have passed by them.


Jesus was alone, unaware of the situation and only he did something when he saw tehm toiling in rowing. That is the Bible.

That is adding to the text. How do you know that He was unaware?

 

[Goinheix]

you have proved to denay the bible when the bible say contrary to your traditional thinking. i will not waste my timt.

tell me: is the God of non baptis the same God as yours? is the Jew God the same as yours?

 

[Frogman]

That is adding to the text. How do you know that He was unaware?

annsni, I think he is making that statement based upon these words:

And he saw them toiling in rowing

This statement could be taken to imply Christ was not aware until after he saw them toiling in rowing.

I do not agree. I agree and know that Christ emptied himself, but I do not think he was unaware to this extent...I think of the times the Jews would have taken hold of him, but he passed through the midst of them.

bro. Dallas

 

[Goinheix]

:jesus:

annsni, I think he is making that statement based upon these words:



This statement could be taken to imply Christ was not aware until after he saw them toiling in rowing.

I do not agree. I agree and know that Christ emptied himself, but I do not think he was unaware to this extent...I think of the times the Jews would have taken hold of him, but he passed through the midst of them.

bro. Dallas

Did Jesus knew what the soldier at the cross was giving for him to drink. He did not knew what it was until he tasted it. Jesus did not know that, and that is enough to prove that he was not knowing everything. He was not knowing too many things along the Gospels making clear that he was not onmiscient at all.

Along the Gospels there is many times when Jesus demostrate having a knowledge above the normal. Actually it makes not a difference. If Jesus was aware and knowing 99% of things, it means that he was not omniscient at all.

Any how, the level of knowledge that Jesus demostrated is not supernatural or private of God. His knowledge and understanting where above of the regular man. That is all.

Jesus was not omniscient and that is all we need to know.

If you denay that fact... If you think Jesus actually knew it all...when did he started to have such knowledge? In he was omniscient starting in a giving point of his life; then he was not God before that time? If he had full knowledge from the very birth...then he knew about Herod intentions, he knew how to talk hebrew, he knew the best action to take. Is it like this?

 

[Frogman]

Luke 2:43-52 And when they had fulfilled the days, as they returned, the child Jesus tarried behind in Jerusalem; and Joseph and his mother knew not of it. 44 But they, supposing him to have been in the company, went a day's journey; and they sought him among their kinsfolk and acquaintance. 45 And when they found him not, they turned back again to Jerusalem, seeking him. 46 And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions. 47 And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers. 48 And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing. 49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business? 50 And they understood not the saying which he spake unto them. 51 And he went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was subject unto them: but his mother kept all these sayings in her heart. 52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.

Brother, I am trying to understand what you are saying. I do not believe the man Jesus 'became' God at some point in his life. I believe He was and is God in the Flesh, or God-Man.

I believe Jesus in his manhood did not know some things because it was part of his human nature...but you state earlier he did not know Lazarus was dead, go back and re-read the report of Lazarus' sickness and the statement of Christ upon hearing it.

John 11:3-4 Therefore his sisters sent unto him, saying, Lord, behold, he whom thou lovest is sick. 4 When Jesus heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby.

particularly read vs. 4.

I agree Jesus made this statement:

Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

bro. Dallas

 

[annsni]

:jesus:

Did Jesus knew what the soldier at the cross was giving for him to drink. He did not knew what it was until he tasted it. Jesus did not know that, and that is enough to prove that he was not knowing everything. He was not knowing too many things along the Gospels making clear that he was not onmiscient at all.

Prove to me that He didn't know.

 

[Mexdeaf]

I can't believe this person is still around yanking chains. He must be LOL'ing his head off.

 

[jbh28]

I can't believe this person is still around yanking chains. He must be LOL'ing his head off.

precisely. Classic troll

 

[mandym]

you have proved to denay the bible when the bible say contrary to your traditional thinking. i will not waste my timt.

tell me: is the God of non baptis the same God as yours? is the Jew God the same as yours?

Apparently you will not waste your time spelling correctly. But this is clear that you are most likely not Baptist.

 

[Iconoclast]

islamic persons deny Jesus in this same way

 

[Goinheix]

Brother, I am trying to understand what you are saying. I do not believe the man Jesus 'became' God at some point in his life. I believe He was and is God in the Flesh, or God-Man.

I believe Jesus in his manhood did not know some things because it was part of his human nature...but you state earlier he did not know Lazarus was dead, go back and re-read the report of Lazarus' sickness and the statement of Christ upon hearing it.



particularly read vs. 4.

I agree Jesus made this statement:

You make too much enfasis in each word i use. Jesus didnt know of the fact that Lazarus was death in the mind of his sisters. But any how. Jesus did not know many things as what it was given to him to drink at the cross.

You think, it is your opinion that Jesus "did not know some things because it was part of his human nature" In that scenario, it is perfertly correct to say that Jesus (because of his human nature) were not aware of the situation of the disciples in the boat. In that scenario it is clear that Jesus because of his human nature was not omniscient at all. Because of Jesus human nature he did not have divine atributes. Am I right?