Jewelry, make up, and Christian women?

"not bound, but set apart." Nice statement.

Send me an e-mail, Brian. I want to ask you a question.

And if people will look back through this thread, I think you'll find something amusing: In all the hubbub about Doc Cassidy's "hanging robes" interpretation, not once did he tell anyone they HAVE to dress a certain way. Y'all got so fixated on the style that you missed out on the meaning...sort of like fixating on the letter instead of the spirit....

 

Lorelei, that's excellent; please allow me to add to it by saying no one--male or female--wants to see me in a muscle shirt!

 

I think the appropriate response is: Old (or I seem that way to the teens!)

 

Hey I totally agree with you there. But that is why The UPC just set a standard and left it at that.

If a women desides to come to a United Pentecostal Church and attends there every service and decides to not adhear to what the Pastor or leadership teaches then Oh Well, No one cares. No one makes anyone do anything that they dont want to do. We are not a cult. The doors are not chained or bared. Everyone knows where they are and are welcome to walk in or out at any given time. And if a Pator decides to preach someone to hell for not wearing dresses only then i would say that pastor is probably in the wrong. For he is not our judge.

But if someone desires to be used in the Church in leadership and do not follow after what the Pastor teaches then they will probably not get used. But that is not to say that you will not get used by God.

I just read an article yesterday in the Dr's Office about a certain denomonation and some of its Highest Members were getting Charged with Child molestment. I mean when you can come off the streets get saved on Sunday and start teaching Sunday School a week later there is something wrong with that.

Now look our organization is not perfect so dont misquote me there. But our standards(not talking just about dress) give us and the childern of God protection. What happens when you put something on display and show it off? More then likley its going to get taken. Same is with your self. Go ahead and put you bodies on display and you are going to cut off your protection. Not Preaching, but just stateing simple facts.

Here is a simple question that you could ask a six year old and he/she could give you the answer.
(If you have a dog or watch kids, What is the reason you put a fence up around your yard for?)

It was once said that "Once you start slicing and dicing truth, there's no end to it. And once you become comfortable with little adjustments to truth, a tweak here and a tweak there, you begin not to notice when truth disappears altogether. Where truth is absent, tyranny reigns. Such, ultimately, is the loathsome promise of political correctness."

And you can say the same about standards. But if you do a little bit of research you will find out that not to long ago all denomonations adheared to codes of dress, modesty and so on and so forth. But what happened? People started to compromise. One lady once said that I'll just take up my skirt a half inch, its not that much. And the next one said the same thing and said I'll only take it up just another half inch, its not that much and on and on it went until "NOT MUCH" became "NOT MUCH AT ALL" Does that make sence?

But anyways, I probably got off subject, but wanted to defend my faith a little. Hope for any of you wondering about it, hopefully that shed a little bit of light.

God bless

 

ONENESS,

Having a dress code is not biblical. Having the preacher set out rules about who can wear what puts too much emphasis on the importance of the rule and the importance of the preacher and takes away from the importance of the Word and the author thereof.

It also tells the people that they can't discern for themselves what the Word says, they need the preacher to do that for them. They can't be trusted or else they will start to compromise. Isn't that between them and God?

Just my 2 cents worth

Ok, I probably should have shut up while we were agreeing huh???? SORRY

~Lorelei

 

Having a dress code is biblical provided God makes it. Having God set out rules about who can wear what puts emphasis on the importance of the rule and the importance of God and emphasizes the importance of the Word and the author thereof and the willingness of the person to obey it.

 

Thomas, I never meant that we shouldn't obey the dress code in the Bible, but does a preacher really have the authority to define "modest"?

What is your definition and what dress code would you authorize?

In my brother-in-laws church they don't allow any short sleeves, for elbows are not be viewable and neither are ankles. I wonder how many men and women of the Bible wore socks with thier sandles to cover thier ankles? Is this a valid dress code, and where does it end? As you say, thier robe must be long, but just how long is long?

Do men have to honor a dress code since there are no specific directions for how a man can dress?

~Lorelei

 

Hey "L", if you CHOOSE to sit under a man of God and if you ALLOW him to be your Pastor, Then the bible says (Hebrews 13:17) Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

If your Pastor follows After God with His whole heart then He probably spends alot of time in Prayer asking and seeking for God direction for the Church. So if he sets a standard saying I do not want our ladies to wear a dress that comes above the knee, then so be it. Who am I to argue with the one that I choose to sit under?

You asked the question "but does a preacher really have the authority to define "modest"?" So I say to you Do you? God has placed people in our lives. (Ephesians 411 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

It is up to you who you want to obey your own heart and feelings or the ones that God has appointed over you.

1Peter 2:13-20

 

ONENESS,

You made an excellent point! If I chose to be under that pastor then I would be obligated to keep his rules. I guess that is why I don't choose to be a part of legalistic churches. I don't choose to be under that sort of pastorate, but you are correct, if one does choose to participate in that church, then they must adhere to the rules they have set forth. (as long as those rules don't contradict the Word of God, but that isn't what we are talking about here)

~Lorelei

 

Now we can do a bible study to see if they contridict the Word Of God or not. And I know that they do not, so lets begin. I will be back after lunch.

God Bless

 

Lewis is a gem, no doubt, but he at this point sets society and man as the judge of modesty and propriety.

In the beginning, Adam and Eve made their own clothes, but they were not to God's standards. He made them new ones out of animal skins.

A lady missionary I know emailed me about the standard of modesty in Eritrea in Africa. The women publicly breastfeed their babies and "it's no big deal," she said.

But it is a big deal. We are commanded to "honor our bodies," 1 Thess. 4:4. And how is that? By sanctifying them and setting them apart (by covering them), and not by exposing them to the profane gazes of sinful men.

A society in which nakedness is "no big deal," (and America has become such) is a society that has forgotten how to possess their vessels in sanctity and honour. And those that kick at dress codes do so not because they desire to honour their bodies, but because they want to just do what is comfortable for themselves.

 

ONENESS,

When I said, "unless it contradicts the Word of God" I was meaning that no rule should contradict God's Word. When I said "but that isn't what we are talking about here", I meant dress codes don't contradict the Word of God. (No need to argue a point that we both agree on)

In my opinion dress codes are "extra biblical", for God didn't specify who could and could not wear what, with the exception of modest apparel and woman vs men's clothing. Dress codes aren't a "biblical" command, but having one does not put oneself in "contradiction" with a command of God that says you shalt not have a dress code. Not having a dress code isn't in contradiction either as long as the church adheres to the fact that they must wear modest apparal.

See what I mean? Does that even make sense? I doubt it, no one ever understands me on this board anyway...

In my church we focus on teaching people to use sound judgement. To read and know the Word of God so that they can determine what is appropriate and what is not. We show them that they should not have lustful thoughts (we don't cover up the women so that males dont' have to 'worry' about it). We teach them how to keep their mind pure. We teach them that they shouldn't do or wear things that cause a brother to stumble, but we don't make out a list and say this is what "WE" think is appropriate and you must adhere to this list.

That is what I Meant by it putting emphasis on the "rule" and not the Word. We try to teach others to learn and grow in thier walk with the Lord on thier own. To understand what God wants from them. IMO I think the rule allows for the person to think they are doing God's will and never understanding why, except that the Pastor said so.

~Lorelei

 

You are inserting your cultural bias into a culture that is different from our own. Not all cultures see breasts as a sexual object.

 

You are inserting your cultural bias into a culture that is different from our own. Not all cultures see breasts as a sexual object.</font>[/QUOTE]Nakedness is looked down upon in the bible. It is a shame. It does not matter what your culture says. Our culture promates premerital sex, abortion, Homosexuality, and so on. Just b/c a person or sect does not see anything wrong with something does not make it right. Remember Nadedness was good in the beginning but disobeidence took away our innosence.

GB

 

But the point is what is nakedness? You imply that nakedness constitutes any amount of skin exposed but the face and hands or the hint of bodily curves. To them being naked means the genitals (crotch area) are exposed.

 

Godmetal, why are you arguing about the definition of "is"?

 

It seemed to me that godmetal was debating whether nakedness is defined by cultural standards or if God set forth an explicit definition applicable to all cultures. His focus was on the definition of nakedness - the definition of "is" never came into it.

As a result your attempt to damage his credibility by associating the morality of his view with the morality (or lack thereof) of the person who did debate the definition of "is" is a cheap tactic that only damages your own argument instead of godmetal's.

 

That was almost amusing.

My intent was not to associate Godmetal with the individual you thought of right away; my intent was to show the ludicrousness of attempting to define every teeny, tiny, nit-picking detail.

Because once you finally decide on a definition of "nakedness," then you MUST start on what the definition of "knee-length," "bare shoulder," and a whole slew of other things are.

In other words, stop wasting time on the nit-noids. Be modest, and be in the world but not of the world. Watch out for your brother/sister, and don't be a stumbling block to them.

The focus should be on your brother/sister, and not what YOU think the definition of "nakedness" is.

 

Funny since you all like to argue over the definition of "is" is in Mt 26:26-28,Mk 14:22-24, Lk 22:19-20, and 1 Cor. 11:23-25. You see the problem is not in my nitpicking but in people latching on to the Bible verses on dressing in modesty and making up all sorts of ludicrous rules for how people should dress. While they have no Biblical support for their rules. Some groups go so far as to forget the Gospel message and overly fret over needless rules.