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JFK Conspiracy

Winman

Active Member
I am not a conspiracy buff, I really am not, but I have always believed there was a conspiracy involving the Kennedy assassination. I was 9 years old at the time and remember the day clearly. I have always believed Kennedy was hit from both the back and front.

Anyway, all this conspiracy talk about the Batman killings, I was reading articles about the Kennedy assassination and viewing old films on YouTube when I came across this video. I had never noticed this before, but it really does look like the limo driver shoots Kennedy at 0:27 seconds. Watch the video a few times closely and see what you think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbpF0AItMr4&feature=related

You can see the limo driver raise his right arm, and then at the precise moment Kennedy is shot he immediately moves his hand forward, seems to bend forward and perhaps place the weapon under his seat. The weapon seems to have been held in his hand and shoots backward. Sounds incredible, but that is what it looks like to me. The timing is just too perfect.

Maybe I should have posted this in the History forum, but it involves politics, and we are always discussing possible conspiracies here.

What say ye?
 
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InTheLight

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You can see the limo driver raise his right arm, and then at the precise moment Kennedy is shot he immediately moves his hand forward, seems to bend forward and perhaps place the weapon under his seat. The weapon seems to have been held in his hand and shoots backward. Sounds incredible, but that is what it looks like to me. The timing is just too perfect.

Maybe I should have posted this in the History forum, but it involves politics, and we are always discussing possible conspiracies here.

What say ye?

You are asking us to believe that the secret service agents in the car and on the ground, Jackie Kennedy, Gov. John Connally and dozens people lining the street did not see the gun or hear it go off. In short, it's a crazy idea.
 

Tom Bryant

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You are asking us to believe that the secret service agents in the car and on the ground, Jackie Kennedy, Gov. John Connally and dozens people lining the street did not see the gun or hear it go off. In short, it's a crazy idea.

That's because they were all part of the conspiracy... You just don't understand how powerful the illuminati or the mob or the right wing conspiracies or the communists or maybe all of them combined really are. :tongue3: :BangHead:
 

Winman

Active Member
You are asking us to believe that the secret service agents in the car and on the ground, Jackie Kennedy, Gov. John Connally and dozens people lining the street did not see the gun or hear it go off. In short, it's a crazy idea.

No, I don't expect you to believe that, I find this unbelievable myself. I am just saying that it looks like the driver shot him. The man may have been speaking on a radio. The timing is remarkable though.

Actually, I saw a very good documentary years ago that showed it was very possible Kennedy was shot from the front by someone in a drain alongside the street. They showed where a man could stand inside this drain with a rifle and have a perfect view of Kennedy. They could pull off the shot, and walk approximately two blocks through the sewer and come out in a drainage ditch. and easily get away. This was a serious documentary, and very convincing.

I do believe Oswald struck Kennedy in the back, but I believe the fatal shot came from the front.
 

Winman

Active Member
Read A Texan Looks at LBJ
I saw another show that had the lead surgeon when Oswald was shot two days later, he received a phone call from LBJ while Oswald was in surgery. LBJ said he wanted an autopsy report for Oswald on his desk in the morning. The surgeon explained that Oswald was in very critical condition, but was not dead, and they were doing everything they could to save him. Again, LBJ repeated he expected an autopsy report on Oswald on his desk in the morning. The reporter doing this interview asked the doctor (I can't remember his name now) what he thought LBJ was saying to him, the doctor responded that he felt LBJ EXPECTED (or else) Oswald to be dead in the morning.

The doctor said they continued to try to save Oswald, but he died from his injuries.

Lots of folks think LBJ was behind the assassination.
 

Alcott

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Limiting this thread (at least for now) to your idea... there is no chance it happened that way and everyone who knew it, or even suspected it, could have stayed quiet and gotten this past both the Warren Commission the the later House Select Committee on Assassinations. If you disbelieve the former-- okay. But the latter was formed with the very purpose of 'proving' a conspiracy, which it failed to do.
 

Winman

Active Member
Limiting this thread (at least for now) to your idea... there is no chance it happened that way and everyone who knew it, or even suspected it, could have stayed quiet and gotten this past both the Warren Commission the the later House Select Committee on Assassinations. If you disbelieve the former-- okay. But the latter was formed with the very purpose of 'proving' a conspiracy, which it failed to do.

I am not saying it happened this way, I do not believe the driver shot Kennedy. But there are many who do believe this, there were many witnesses who reported the driver had a gun in his hand. This is fact you can look up easily.

I had never seen this film, or at least I never watched the driver before, and simply thought that it looks like he shot him. I believe it is an optical illusion.

I personally believe JFK was shot from the front from the drain as the show I saw about 10 years ago. It was the perfect position for the shot and allowed an easy getaway.
 

LadyEagle

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Limiting this thread (at least for now) to your idea... there is no chance it happened that way and everyone who knew it, or even suspected it, could have stayed quiet and gotten this past both the Warren Commission the the later House Select Committee on Assassinations. If you disbelieve the former-- okay. But the latter was formed with the very purpose of 'proving' a conspiracy, which it failed to do.

However.....

Findings of the Select Committee on Assassinations in the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy in Dallas, Tex., November 22, 1963

Lee Harvey Oswald fired three shots at President John F. Kennedy. The second and third shots he fired struck the President. The third shot he fired killed the President.
President Kennedy was struck by two rifle shots fired from behind him.
The shots that struck President Kennedy from behind him were fired from the sixth floor window of the southeast corner of the Texas School Book Depository building.
Lee Harvey Oswald owned the rifle that was used to fire the shots from the sixth floor window of the southeast comer of the Texas School Book Depository building.
Lee Harvey Oswald, shortly before the assassination, had access to and was present on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository building.
Lee Harvey Oswald's other actions tend to support the conclusion that he assassinated President Kennedy.
Scientific acoustical evidence establishes a high probability that two gunmen fired at President John F. Kennedy. Other scientific evidence does not preclude the possibility of two gunmen firing at the President. Scientific evidence negates some specific conspiracy allegations.
The committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available to it, that President John F. Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy. The committee is unable to identify the other gunman or the extent of the conspiracy.
The committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available to it, that the Soviet Government was not involved in the assassination of President Kennedy.
The committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available to it, that the Cuban Government was not involved in the assassination of President Kennedy.
The committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available to it, that anti-Castro Cuban groups, as groups, were not involved in the assassination of President Kennedy, but that the available evidence does not preclude the possibility that individual members may have been involved.
The committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available to it, that the national syndicate of organized crime, as a group, was not involved in the assassination of President Kennedy, but that the available evidence does not preclude the possibility that individual members may have been involved.
The Secret Service, Federal Bureau of Investigation and Central Intelligence Agency were not involved in the assassination of President Kennedy.
Agencies and departments of the U.S. Government performed with varying degrees of competency in the fulfillment of their duties. President John F. Kennedy did not receive adequate protection. A thorough and reliable investigation into the responsibility of Lee Harvey Oswald for the assassination of President John F. Kennedy was conducted. The investigation into the possibility of conspiracy in the assassination was inadequate. The conclusions of the investigations were arrived at in good faith, but presented in a fashion that was too definitive.
The Secret Service was deficient in the performance of its duties.
The Secret Service possessed information that was not properly analyzed, investigated or used by the Secret Service in connection with the President's trip to Dallas; in addition, Secret Service agents in the motorcade were inadequately prepared to protect the President from a sniper.
The responsibility of the Secret Service to investigate the assassination was terminated when the Federal Bureau of Investigation assumed primary investigative responsibility.
The Department of Justice failed to exercise initiative in supervising and directing the investigation by the Federal Bureau of Investigation of the assassination.
The Federal Bureau of Investigation performed with varying degrees of competency in the fulfillment of its duties.
The Federal Bureau of Investigation adequately investigated Lee Harvey Oswald prior to the assassination and properly evaluated the evidence it possessed to assess his potential to endanger the public safety in a national emergency.
The Federal Bureau of Investigation conducted a thorough and professional investigation into the responsibility of Lee Harvey Oswald for the assassination.
The Federal Bureau of Investigation failed to investigate adequately the possibility of a conspiracy to assassinate the President.
The Federal Bureau of Investigation was deficient in its sharing of information with other agencies and departments.
The Central Intelligence Agency was deficient in its collection and sharing of information both prior to and subsequent to the assassination.
The Warren Commission performed with varying degrees of competency in the fulfillment of its duties.
The Warren Commission conducted a thorough and professional investigation into the responsibility of Lee Harvey Oswald for the assassination.
The Warren Commission failed to investigate adequately the possibility of a conspiracy to assassinate the President. This deficiency was attributable in part to the failure of the Commission to receive all the relevant information that was in the possession of other agencies and departments of the Government.
The Warren Commission arrived at its conclusions, based on the evidence available to it, in good faith.
The Warren Commission presented the conclusions in its report in a fashion that was too definitive.

Source: http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/select-committee-report/summary.html
 

Alcott

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However.....

However, as I said, that committee was predisposed to proving a conspiracy, and it failed to do so. The best it could do in that way-- terms like ..."failed to competently..."-- is nothing but subjective.
 

saturneptune

New Member
Since the popular conspiracy theories state that Presidents who are shot stepped on the toes of the real powers that be, I was just wondering what Truman, Ford, Teddy Roosevelt, and Reagan did, and for that matter, Lincoln, Garfield, and McKinley?
 
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