JJ Johnspon Speaks to Senate about militia

[Bible-boy]

This is what you said:

Now you mom's positive reenforcement may have been good for you after you were saved in order to remind you who you were in Christ. However, before you were saved, according to the Scriptures, you (and all of us) were anything but "good."


We weren't talking about the child's behavior or their relationship to God. This OP is about christianyouth's statement:

In England, because a Mom taught her four year old daughter that she is wicked, the mom is at risk of having her kids taken away. This isn't a news story. This is a woman who's blog I occasionally read. A godly mom.

How does this say anything about whether or not the child was saved and whether the child's works were Godly or filthy rags? So you were actually off topic. Your statements about my mother's behavior were without merit.

I wonder about your basic ability to comprehend moderately complicated arguments. No real sign of that yet.

I am going to assume that you missed the part where christianyouth said that the child was four years old. Having raised a couple of children myself I naturally understood that it is highly unlikely that a four year old is already saved. Then I deduced that this mother was simply trying to teach her daughter what the Bible says about our spiritual condition apart from Christ, to help her understand her need for Christ, in order to lead the child to Christ.

My statements about your mother's behavior were not without merit if, according to the Scriptures, she tried to teach you that you were a "good boy" prior to your salvation. She may have wanted you to grow up to be a good boy. There is nothing wrong with such a desire. However, prior to salvation according to the Scriptures, all of us were anything but "good."

No the OP is about militias and the right to bear arms. It is not about christianyouth's reference to the woman in the UK.

Yes, I agree that this line of discussion is off topic from the OP. However, I am unwilling to allow misinformation to go unchallenged just because it is off topic. If you'd like to continue this line of discussion please feel free to start a new thread (perhaps in the Baptist Bible Study and Theology Section). However, lets not keep driving this thread further off topic. Agreed?

 

[JustChristian]

I am going to assume that you missed the part where christianyouth said that the child was four years old. Having raised a couple of children myself I naturally understood that it is highly unlikely that a four year old is already saved. Then I deduced that this mother was simply trying to teach her daughter what the Bible says about our spiritual condition apart from Christ, to help her understand her need for Christ, in order to lead the child to Christ.

My statements about your mother's behavior were not without merit if, according to the Scriptures, she tried to teach you that you were a "good boy" prior to your salvation. She may have wanted you to grow up to be a good boy. There is nothing wrong with such a desire. However, prior to salvation according to the Scriptures, all of us were anything but "good."

No the OP is about militias and the right to bear arms. It is not about christianyouth's reference to the woman in the UK.

Yes, agree that this line of discussion is off topic from the OP. However, I am unwilling to allow misinformation to go unchallenged just because it is off topic. If you'd like to continue this line of discussion please feel free to start a new thread (perhaps in the Baptist Bible Study and Theology Section). However, lets not keep driving this thread further off topic. Agreed?

If the OP is about militias then you've been off topic.

 

[Bible-boy]

If the OP is about militias then you've been off topic.

Yes, I agreed to that (except I say we've been off topic) and asked if you would agree with me that we would not keep pushing this line of discussion that popped up because of an off-hand comment by christianyouth. Can we agree here and let the thread return to the subject of the OP (if you want to continue this discussion please feel free to start another thread in an appropriate forum)?

 

[Aaron]

If she is a godly mother why would she teach her daughter that she is wicked. My mother believed strongly in positive reinforcement. She kept telling us that we were good boys and if we worked hard we could do anything we set our minds to. (She was a teacher for over 30 years and she was good at this kind of thing,) Now imagine a mother telling her child every night that they are wicked and good for nothing. That approach will harm the child and take away their self-esteem. As Christians should we build our children up or tear them down?

Boiled down, this is THE difference between a liberal and a conservative: A liberal does not believe what Christ said about the human condition, and a conservative does. And where a conservative will go to the Scriptures to support his arguments, a liberal goes to his subjective personal experiences.

BB, you are NOT a good boy. Let God be true and every man (or mother) a liar.

 

[Aaron]

The Civil War demonstrates the point. The better question to ask would be how many times would Americans have had to try to defend themselves if we did not have the Second Amendment? As far as nukes, chemical and biological weapons go you are talking nonsense and hyperbole. We have laws and international treaties, which do not violate the Second Amendment, that strictly control these weapons. We are talking about firearms (guns) not missiles and warheads.

It used to be no uncommon thing to see people with guns on their belts, or walking through town with a rifle or shotgun over their shoulder. I have pictures of my dad from the 1950s with a pistol on his hip out in public. However, when the anti-gun folks out there started freaking out when this happened states started issuing concealed carry permits so that people could still carry their guns according to the 2nd Amendment without people knowing they were armed. I don't care much for concealed carry, but I would fight tooth and nail to keep those laws in place. However, I favor just carrying your guns out in the open so that potential criminals and other threats know I’m armed right up front.:smilewinkgrin:

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." (Thomas Jefferson)

 

[JustChristian]

Boiled down, this is THE difference between a liberal and a conservative: A liberal does not believe what Christ said about the human condition, and a conservative does. And where a conservative will go to the Scriptures to support his arguments, a liberal goes to his subjective personal experiences.

BB, you are NOT a good boy. Let God be true and every man (or mother) a liar.

You have to define what you mean by "liberal." Are you talking about a social liberal who is a Bible believing Christian? If so, your argument has no merit.

 

[Bible-boy]

You have to define what you mean by "liberal." Are you talking about a social liberal who is a Bible believing Christian? If so, your argument has no merit.

Primarily I think he is talking about Theological liberals who allow their personal experience and feelings to have authority over the Word of God. However, generally speaking Theological liberals also tend to be social liberals and Theological conservatives tend to be social conservatives. Imagine that... Now back to subject of the OP please.

 

[LadyEagle]

This thread is wildly off topic, so it is being closed. LE