Job 41 & 39 Dinosaurs

[TaliOrlando]

Is Levithian in the Bible a Dinosaur. ???

 

[BobRyan]

He could be a sea dwelling one -

However the violent land-based dinosaurs (of great size) were all destroyed in the flood.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Way of Life Encyclopedia
LEVIATHAN

The leviathan is described in great detail by God in Job 41, and we believe this sea creature is the fearsome fire-breathing dragon of ancient lore (Job 41:1-34; Ps 74:13-14; 104:26; Isa 27:1). Henry Morris, respected scientist and Christian author, head of the Creation Research Institute, makes the following comment on Job 41: "As the behemoth was the greatest terrestrial animal (Job 40), the leviathan was the greatest aquatic animal. Like the behemoth, it seems to be extinct ... Most commentators, once again limiting their thinking to existing animals, insist on calling the leviathan a crocodile. Once again, however, the awesome description in Job 41 does not fit at all. Whatever the leviathan may have been, it was not a crocodile! Neither was it a whale, as some have suggested ... And what about the following description? `By his neesings a light doth shine, and his eyes are like the eyelids of the morning. Out of his mouth go burning lamps, and sparks of fire leap out. Out of his nostrils goeth smoke, as out of a seething pot or caldron. His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth' (Job 41:18-21). This is surely not a crocodile! To the possible objection that not even dinosaurs breathed fire, we could answer that no one knows what dinosaurs could do. Dragons of various kinds were capable of breathing out fire-at least according to traditions from all parts of the world. ... dinosaur fossils have been excavated that show a strange protuberance, with internal cavity, on the top of the head. It is conceivable that this could have served as a sort of mixing chamber for combustible gases that would ignite when exhaled into the outside oxygen. In any case, it seems unlikely that the ubiquitous tales of fire-breathing dragons in ancient times, coming as they do from all parts of the world, could have come into existence without a strong factual basis. Furthermore, the Bible often mentions dragons just as it mentions unicorns-always in such a way as to show that the writers believed they were real animals. ... That it [the leviathan] is not a mythical creature is clearly asserted in the great psalm of God's providence. When the psalmist speaks of `that great and wide sea' in which there are `things creeping innumerable,' he also notes that `there is that leviathan, whom thou hast made to play therein' (Ps 104:25-26). The description in Job also notes that `he maketh the deep to boil like a pot' (Job 41:31). The leviathan was a real animal, presumably the largest and fiercest of all the aquatic dinosaurs" (Morris, The Remarkable Record of Job, pp. 118,119).

The leviathan is also used as a symbolic reference to Satan (Isa 27:1), that old dragon (Re 12:9), referring to the devil's mysterious, formidable, and destructive nature.

 

[ccdnt]

He could be a sea dwelling one -

However the violent land-based dinosaurs (of great size) were all destroyed in the flood.

Actually, all dinosaur kinds alive at the time of the flood would have been on board the ark. Those that were on the ark that are now extinct died out after the flood.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

I agree. Two of every kind, seven of clean. No one kind of animal was left out. If dinosaurs existed prior to the flood, some would have gone on the ark and been preserved.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Here's a question...

Were fish and sea acreatures killed during flood? I would think not, but I was told that every living thing upon the earth was destroyed.

And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: All in whose nostrils [was] the breath of life, of all that [was] in the dry [land], died. And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained [alive], and they that [were] with him in the ark. And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days. (Genesis 7:21-24)

Every living thing that was upon the face of the ground... Is that speaking of just life on land, or both land and water?

If water also, then would not God have had to create more sea dwelling creatures since we have them today?

 

[Amy.G]

Here's a question...

Were fish and sea acreatures killed during flood? I would think not, but I was told that every living thing upon the earth was destroyed.


Every living thing that was upon the face of the ground... Is that speaking of just life on land, or both land and water?

If water also, then would not God have had to create more sea dwelling creatures since we have them today?

I read it to mean life on the ground (earth). There is no account that I am aware of where God re-created anything after the flood and we don't see anything about Noah gathering fish 2 X 2. :laugh:

 

[Helen]

Genesis 7:14 states, "They had with them every wild animal according to its kind, all livestock ['cattle' in the Greek] according to their kinds, every creature ['reptile' in the Greek] that moves along the ground according to its kind and every bird according to its kind, everything with wings."

Leviathan was not a dinosaur, but behemoth probably was, living in the river valleys where water and warmth from the ongoing geologic processes after the Flood were there to sustain the massive weight and food requirements.

There are massive amounts of evidence that men after the Flood were very much aware of dinosaurs and other of the animals which supposedly died out 'millions' of years before man. Historical records from Alexander the Great, from Egypt, art from various places around the world....one has to refuse the evidence to say man was unaquainted with live dinosaurs just a few thousand years ago.

Fish did not need rescuing. Neither did any seafaring animal nor did the insects. Many were killed, but many survived.

 

[webdog]

Leviathin's current address: Loch Ness

 

[ccdnt]

Leviathan was not a dinosaur...

How do you know this for sure?

 

[Magnetic Poles]

Fish did not need rescuing. Neither did any seafaring animal nor did the insects. Many were killed, but many survived.

Fresh water fish cannot live in salt water.

 

[ByGracethroughFaith]

How do you know this for sure?

The word behemoth is an Egyptian derivative for 'water-ox', and was the word most accurately used to describe the hippopotamus. The leviathan (crocodile) and the hippo dwell together with their young side by side. Both are ferocious killers and yet dwell together in harmony. It is only natural to use them as objects to bring man to humility.

When one has a worldwide flood, all land creatures will be killed, when the flood recedes many ocean bearing creatures will be beached. You can come up with quite the combination of imaginary animals from a whale skeleton mixed with a moose skeleton mixed with a horse skeleton mixed with whatever else is in the sea.

This explains why areas are known as 'dinosaur digs'. They are simply low spots where the floating dead pooled together with the dying sea creatures.

Since there are no other so-called records of dinosaurs in the Bible, I see no need to believe they even existed.


BGTF

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Reading the whole of the chapter that the leviathan is in I cannot come to the conclusion that it is a crocodile. I beleive it is some sort of fire breathing dragon.

It is said the leviathan breathed fire. Never known a crocodile to be said to do that.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

Reading the whole of the chapter that the leviathan is in I cannot come to the conclusion that it is a crocodile. I beleive it is some sort of fire breathing dragon.

It is said the leviathan breathed fire. Never known a crocodile to be said to do that.

After eating some jalapenos, I have breathed fire myself. :laugh:

 

[BobRyan]

Fresh water fish cannot live in salt water.

Rain and "The fountains of the deep" are fresh water.

The real question is -- where were the sea water bound fish? Were their sections over land where the water was fresh and over the oceans where the water was salty?

 

[BobRyan]

Actually, all dinosaur kinds alive at the time of the flood would have been on board the ark. Those that were on the ark that are now extinct died out after the flood.

Well - we agree to this much - only the land animals that came across on the ark would have survived and among those many have gone extinct.

 

[ByGracethroughFaith]

Reading the whole of the chapter that the leviathan is in I cannot come to the conclusion that it is a crocodile. I beleive it is some sort of fire breathing dragon.

It is said the leviathan breathed fire. Never known a crocodile to be said to do that.

The breath of a crocodile when they come up out of the water after holding their breath for a length of time is very hot, and is what they use to expel heat.

When they first come up out of the water with water still in their nose and breath out sharply, it has been known to give the appearance of fire and smoke.


BGTF

 

[ccdnt]

The word behemoth is an Egyptian derivative for 'water-ox', and was the word most accurately used to describe the hippopotamus. The leviathan (crocodile) and the hippo dwell together with their young side by side. Both are ferocious killers and yet dwell together in harmony. It is only natural to use them as objects to bring man to humility.

When one has a worldwide flood, all land creatures will be killed, when the flood recedes many ocean bearing creatures will be beached. You can come up with quite the combination of imaginary animals from a whale skeleton mixed with a moose skeleton mixed with a horse skeleton mixed with whatever else is in the sea.

This explains why areas are known as 'dinosaur digs'. They are simply low spots where the floating dead pooled together with the dying sea creatures.

Since there are no other so-called records of dinosaurs in the Bible, I see no need to believe they even existed.


BGTF

Am I understanding you correctly...you do not believe that dinosaurs ever existed? You do know that when the Bible was translated into English, the word, "dinosaur", had not been coined/invented yet. Therefore, any reference to creatures that were dinosaurs would not have been called dinosaurs. There is very good reason to believe that the Behemoth and the Leviathon were real animals, and their description best matches that of dinosaurs.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

Since there are no other so-called records of dinosaurs in the Bible, I see no need to believe they even existed.


BGTF

I have to ask another ? about this . . .

Haven't you ever been to the museum? How do you explain the bones of various dinos? These aren't horse and moose skeletons combined. The scale is beyond anything you describe and they make a cohesive animal. I am amazed you would deny what your own eyes tell you just because the Bible doesn't mention them. It also doesn't mention telephones, yet I know they exist because I can see and touch one.

 

[ByGracethroughFaith]

Am I understanding you correctly...you do not believe that dinosaurs ever existed? You do know that when the Bible was translated into English, the word, "dinosaur", had not been coined/invented yet. Therefore, any reference to creatures that were dinosaurs would not have been called dinosaurs. There is very good reason to believe that the Behemoth and the Leviathon were real animals, and their description best matches that of dinosaurs.

Yes, strange as it may seem, you are understanding me correctly. I don't believe dinosaurs ever existed.


BGTF