Job 41 & 39 Dinosaurs

[standingfirminChrist]

You believe it's a dragon that breathes fire. Yet a fire-breathing animal has never been found, in fact actual fire originating in any living organism defies all laws of biology.

We are looking for an animal that has never been found, one that has never even been recorded, and yet this thing no one has ever seen is meant to strike awe in those who know of it.


BGTF

God created the earth and all therein in 6 days. I bet that was against the laws of biology too.

The animal was recorded. It was recorded five times in four verses in the KJV.

 

[Deacon]

Here is Job's description of the leviathan:

Job 41:18-21 18 By his neesings a light doth shine, and his eyes are like the eyelids of the morning. 19 Out of his mouth go burning lamps, and sparks of fire leap out. 20 Out of his nostrils goeth smoke, as out of a seething pot or caldron. 21 His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth.

When he sneezes a light shines.
Sparks of fire leap out.
Out of his mouth goes smoke.
Out of his mouth goes a flame
Job did not say "it seems as if these things happen" He said the smoke, the fire, the flame ...all are real.

No, my friend, to say this was anything less than a fire breather is to doubt this portion of God's Word as being truth.

It does not say the leviathan's breath was hot, it says fire leapt out that lit coals.

What’s a “neesings”? :laugh:
So if the fire's real, are the lamps flying from his mouth real too?
Ya think there might be some poetic license used here???!!!

Rob

 

[standingfirminChrist]

The word "neesings" is a word meaning "sneezing".

 

[BobRyan]

You believe it's a dragon that breathes fire. Yet a fire-breathing animal has never been found, in fact actual fire originating in any living organism defies all laws of biology.

Bombardier beetle seems like a binary weapon to me.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[ByGracethroughFaith]

God created the earth and all therein in 6 days. I bet that was against the laws of biology too.

The animal was recorded. It was recorded five times in four verses in the KJV.

This is a Baptist site, I don't believe betting is tolerated. Either way, I am not a partaker of bets myself.....

God created the laws of biology.

'An' animal was described, you just happen to believe it was a dragon, I happen to believe it was a crocodile. If the animal described was not in existence in Job's time and at the time Job was written, as well as in the present day, it does not serve the purpose to strike awe in the the hearts of men.

To look for a mythological dragon in the Bible, one is turning from truth to mythology.


BGTF

 

[ByGracethroughFaith]

Until the mid 1800's the discussion of Job 40, centered around whether the behemoth was an elephant or a hippopotamus. Likewise the discussion of Job 41 was about whether the leviathan was a whale or a crocodile. Thanks to Mr. Darwin, it is only in the last century and a half that people have even considered anything else.

My conclusion is that whether they be dinosaurs or dragons or whatever, there is MUCH more reason to doubt the new suppositions than there is to believe them.


BGTF

 

[NotCountedWise]

Thanks for bringing awesome points. I have a question thought, What are the Dinosaur Bones that Scientist show to prove they existed? God Bless!!

There are many possible explanations, but instead of leaning towards the fabrication end of things, I believe the bones are the remnants of the animals killed in the flood. Along with those animals there would have been many sea creatures who would have been beached at the same time.

Quite right, these fossils (all the fossils, in fact) come from animals killed in the Flood. But if you want to believe that dinosaurs never existed, then you are left with saying that the fossils (which Answers in Genesis and the Institute for Creation Research agree came from reptilian land-animals) instead came from some other now-extinct reptilian land-animal. Which is really saying the same thing.

The fact that certain "scientific" procedures have been used to "date" these fossils, producing absurd and untestable results which happen to conflict with Scripture, means that one should reject these unscientific dating methods. Not the existence of the creatures whose fossils they are trying to date.

Whether or not behemoth is a dinosaur (though it is ), one cannot argue from silence: There is no Scriptural evidence for the existence of my computer. Are computers the product of a vast conspiracy theory?

 

[webdog]

Ok... i have thought on this... (watch out.. my brain is breathing smoke!)

Now we know...Leviathin is Tiny Tim :laugh:

 

[Magnetic Poles]

I am flabbergasted that I am watching someone who believes in fire-breathing dragons arguing with someone who doesn't believe in dinosaurs! I have no dog in that fight, but it is amusing to watch. And of course, both believe they are biblically correct and the other wrong. :laugh:

Let me know when you get to trolls and leprechauns. I can't wait.

 

[ByGracethroughFaith]

I am flabbergasted that I am watching someone who believes in fire-breathing dragons arguing with someone who doesn't believe in dinosaurs! I have no dog in that fight, but it is amusing to watch. And of course, both believe they are biblically correct and the other wrong. :laugh:

Let me know when you get to trolls and leprechauns. I can't wait.

Thank you for flying with us, we are glad to have been part of meeting your entertainment needs. If we can be of further service, do let us know.


BGTF

 

[tinytim]

Now we know...Leviathin is Tiny Tim :laugh:

I think technically, I would be more like the behemoth!

 

[ccdnt]

Fresh water fish cannot live in salt water.

Who is to say that the salinity of the ocean is the same or about the same as it was "in the beginning"? We have no real way to know the salinity content of the ocean before the flood. Also, how do we know that at one time most or all of the fresh water fish could not tolerate salinity to some extent? Just because some cannot now does not mean they were always that way. They could have lost this ability over time (which, by the way, would not be "molecules to man" evolution as this would be the losing of a trait)

 

[TC]

I am flabbergasted that I am watching someone who believes in fire-breathing dragons arguing with someone who doesn't believe in dinosaurs! I have no dog in that fight, but it is amusing to watch. And of course, both believe they are biblically correct and the other wrong. :laugh:

Let me know when you get to trolls and leprechauns. I can't wait.

The leprechaun is Vince McMahon's son. :laugh:

 

[TC]

I believe the leviathan to be some kind of dragon.

The Strongs defines the 'livyathan' as a sea monster or dragon of sorts.

We do know his skin is said by Scripture to be inpenetrable, which also would rule the crocodile out.

I believe it is a fire breathing dragon as I stated earlier in the thread.

Now, the question is... is this leviathan extinct now? or is it possible that it is still out in the sea somewhere?

I have heard some say it is the Loch Ness monster, but I cannot agree. The leviathan's home is the sea, not a lake.

Could be Godzilla.

 

[rbell]

Yes, strange as it may seem, you are understanding me correctly. I don't believe dinosaurs ever existed.


BGTF

umm....wow.

you're saying "no" to quite a bit of empirical evidence there...

 

[standingfirminChrist]

This is a Baptist site, I don't believe betting is tolerated. Either way, I am not a partaker of bets myself.....

God created the laws of biology.

'An' animal was described, you just happen to believe it was a dragon, I happen to believe it was a crocodile. If the animal described was not in existence in Job's time and at the time Job was written, as well as in the present day, it does not serve the purpose to strike awe in the the hearts of men.

To look for a mythological dragon in the Bible, one is turning from truth to mythology.


BGTF

Since the Word of God declares the leviathan to be a dragon (Isaiah 27:1, and since the Word of God says leviathan breathes fire, I believe the leviathian to be a fire breathing dragon as the Word of God declares. The fire breathing Leviathan is not a mythological creature.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

I am just curious, BGTF,

Since you believe the fire breathing dragon from Job to be mythology, do you believe the horses with the stings of scorpions in their tails from Revelation to be mythology as well?

 

[ByGracethroughFaith]

Since the Word of God declares the leviathan to be a dragon (Isaiah 27:1, and since the Word of God says leviathan breathes fire, I believe the leviathian to be a fire breathing dragon as the Word of God declares. The fire breathing Leviathan is not a mythological creature.

SFIC

I respect your position on this matter, and see no reason to further 'entertain the masses' on this topic.

You are free to believe leviathan is a literal fire breathing dragon, and I am free not to.

In answer to your other question, I believe the horses with scorpions in their tails to be symbolic of something other than a literal animal.

Having finite understanding, I could be wrong on both accounts, but like I said, 'Here I stand...'


BGTF

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Since the Word of God declares the leviathan to be a real fire breathing dragon, would I not be teaching or preaching a lie to claim otherwise?

Since the horses in whose tails is the sting of scorpions are not said to be symbolic, would I not be teaching or preaching a lie to claim they are symbolic?

I must preach what the Word of God declares believing that the Word of God is true.

 

[just-want-peace]

I must preach what the Word of God declares believing that the Word of God is true.

If God's word says "like" or "as" I take it thusly; without any qualifiers (ie: "the parable of--"), I'll take the Word as literal as yesterday's sunset! To do otherwise is, in IMNSHO, telling God that we know better what He said/meant than He does.

I'm with you SFIC, 100 % on this one!!!