SavedByGrace
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Both in Hebrew and Greek the meaning is to love less. Like when Jesus says that we must hate our family if we want to follow Him. He means to love Him more and our family less
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John 3:16-18
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Both in Hebrew and Greek the meaning is to love less. Like when Jesus says that we must hate our family if we want to follow Him. He means to love Him more and our family less
Reformed1689
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Who is ignoring lexicons now?
atpollard
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So God did not give the daily increase?
Think Jesus main point was that he is to get primary devotion, Love Him first!
SavedByGrace
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Shows that you are ignorant of Hebrew and Greek
SavedByGrace
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New King James Version Psalm 106:40 Therefore the wrath of the Lord was kindled against His people, So that He abhorred His own inheritance.
This is what the Bible says about the Lord and His choose people
SavedByGrace
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He did not add to the church such who should be saved. This is not what the Bible Teaches. It is those who were being saved. Can't you tell the difference
atpollard
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[Revelation 14:18-20 NIV]
Still another angel, who had charge of the fire, came from the altar and called in a loud voice to him who had the sharp sickle, "Take your sharp sickle and gather the clusters of grapes from the earth's vine, because its grapes are ripe." The angel swung his sickle on the earth, gathered its grapes and threw them into the great winepress of God's wrath. They were trampled in the winepress outside the city, and blood flowed out of the press, rising as high as the horses' bridles for a distance of 1,600 stadia.
[Revelation 19:11-21 NIV]
I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and wages war. His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. Coming out of his mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. "He will rule them with an iron scepter." He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written: king of kings and lord of lords. And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, "Come, gather together for the great supper of God, so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and the mighty, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small." Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage war against the rider on the horse and his army. But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. The rest were killed with the sword coming out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.
“Aslan is a lion- the Lion, the great Lion." "Ooh" said Susan. "I'd thought he was a man. Is he-quite safe? I shall feel rather nervous about meeting a lion"..."Safe?" said Mr Beaver ..."Who said anything about safe? 'Course he isn't safe. But he's good. He's the King, I tell you.”
Still another angel, who had charge of the fire, came from the altar and called in a loud voice to him who had the sharp sickle, "Take your sharp sickle and gather the clusters of grapes from the earth's vine, because its grapes are ripe." The angel swung his sickle on the earth, gathered its grapes and threw them into the great winepress of God's wrath. They were trampled in the winepress outside the city, and blood flowed out of the press, rising as high as the horses' bridles for a distance of 1,600 stadia.
[Revelation 19:11-21 NIV]
I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and wages war. His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. Coming out of his mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. "He will rule them with an iron scepter." He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written: king of kings and lord of lords. And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, "Come, gather together for the great supper of God, so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and the mighty, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small." Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage war against the rider on the horse and his army. But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. The rest were killed with the sword coming out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.
“Aslan is a lion- the Lion, the great Lion." "Ooh" said Susan. "I'd thought he was a man. Is he-quite safe? I shall feel rather nervous about meeting a lion"..."Safe?" said Mr Beaver ..."Who said anything about safe? 'Course he isn't safe. But he's good. He's the King, I tell you.”
Reformed1689
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Yeah I thought that one was pretty bizarre as well.
Reformed1689
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All it shows is that you don't understand King James English.
George Antonios
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The church is a spiritual body wherein one is baptized by the Holy Ghost.
That a man by his free will believes the gospel does not mean he can baptize himself in the spiritual body of Christ.
All a man does is believe. God is the one that does the spiritual circumcision, spiritual baptism, regeneration, etc.
Free will is not "against" that.
Granted you want to prove Calvinism, but that doesn't mean that it's hiding behind every nook and cranny or that the Bible saying that God was adding people to his church somehow negates free will.
George Antonios
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atpollard
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"... I have made his mountains a desolation and [appointed] his inheritance for the jackals of the wilderness."
[Shows you do not bother to read the plain English or the Hebrew context for meaning ... that is not an example of "loving less".]
George Antonios
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Oh boy, here we go. But wait. Question: did God hate you, before you got saved?
Reformed1689
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We were under his wrath before salvation.
atpollard
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Not according to "SavedByGrace" whose OP Thesis is that World in John 3:16 means everyone without exception and that definition somehow proves that God Loves everyone without exception and proves universal atonement (not universal salvation).
My post was simply a scriptural challenge to "God loves everyone without exception". Not even a counter argument (since I think that he is focusing on the wrong key words in John 3:16, but merely scripture that appears to contradict his thesis and should be addressed.
To answer your question directly ... "ASK GOD, I am not a Prophet" ... but probably not (or he would not have kept me alive and saved me).
SavedByGrace
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Look at Psalm 106.40
George Antonios
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So you acknowledge the possibility that God did hate you before salvation.
Thus you acknowledge the possibility of God hating someone at one point in time, but loving them at another.
Thus you acknowledge the possibility of God both hating and loving someone - depending on the situation.
And you've certainly read:
Hosea 9:15 All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more: all their princes are revolters.
So that he once loved Israel but then ceased, because of their wickedness.
Just saying.
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