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John 9 and man's responsibility

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by webdog, Oct 29, 2007.

  1. npetreley

    npetreley New Member

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    In Matthew 8, the Centurion believed and his servant was healed. How did the Centurion's faith make his servant whole? And where did the Centurion get his faith?

    Speculation is fun. It doesn't mean anything but it's fun.
     
  2. Pastor_Bob

    Pastor_Bob Well-Known Member

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    On the contrary, Jesus often used spittle in healing:
    Mark 7:33 And he took him aside from the multitude, and put his fingers into his ears, and he spit, and touched his tongue;

    Mark 8:23 And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought.

    No sir, the issue is the spittle, for without it, the dirt would have remained dirt.

    I've just listed several scholars that agree with this position. However, if you want to depend on your friend from New Jersey, that's certainly your right.
     
  3. npetreley

    npetreley New Member

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    I said "other" not "never in other cases". He healed blind people without using spit. You have to ask yourself the question (well, you don't HAVE to do anything), why the theatrics? Jesus doesn't need spit to heal. He healed the Centurion's servant without even seeing the guy. So all this "medicinal value of spit" stuff is garbage, IMO. But, like I said, believe what you want to believe.

    You've listed "scholars" who speculate based on the medicinal value of spit. My friend is extremely well versed in Judaism and the traditions of the Pharisees. He is intimately familiar with the Torah and the scribal notes of the time (the mitzvah? I forget now), which interpret the Torah on things like rules for the Sabbath. Your quotes are from Judaism-scholar wannabes. My friend is the real deal. I'll go with my friend, thanks.
     
  4. Jarthur001

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    :) :applause: :)
     
  5. Pastor_Bob

    Pastor_Bob Well-Known Member

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    Judaism-scholar wannabes? Apparently these men are knowledgeable enough to know that spittle was thought to have curative properties in ancient Palestine. They know that the frequent connection of spittle with magical practices caused it to be forbidden by Rabbis in Jesus' time. They know that o[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]n the Sabbath, you could anoint a wound to prevent it from getting worse, but not for the purpose of making it better. [/FONT][/FONT]
     
  6. Isaiah40:28

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    my short answer... the Holy Spirit caused the man to desire to obey Jesus' words from the first go-and wash-command to his saving profession of faith at the end of chapter 9.
     
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