John Hagee Endorses John McCain

[KenH]

I wonder if the mainstream media will ask Senator McCain if he denounces and rejects the views of John Hagee like was asked of Senator Obama concerning Louis Farrakhan.


http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/02/27/hagee_endorses_mccain_1.html

 

[Baptist in Richmond]

I wonder if the mainstream media will ask Senator McCain if he denounces and rejects the views of John Hagee like was asked of Senator Obama concerning Louis Farrakhan.


http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/02/27/hagee_endorses_mccain_1.html

:laugh:
I heard Mike Malloy for a few minutes last night on XM167.
He said something similar to this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8khCJTDD44

 

[KenH]

I haven't heard Mike Malloy's show in several years. Does he still refer to radicals on the right as the Flying Monkey Right?

 

[Baptist in Richmond]

I haven't heard Mike Malloy's show in several years. Does he still refer to radicals on the right as the Flying Monkey Right?

:laugh:

Yes, he still does! XM167 is AirAmerica most of the time, but they also carry Mike, despite the fact that he is on "Nova-M radio," and Ed Schultz from noon to three. It is a bit aggravating because I am very fond of Thom Hartmann, who is actually on AirAmerica in that same time slot.

Talk to you later - I am tired,
BiR

 

[LeBuick]

I noticed this thread didn't get the same attention as the one where Obama was endorced by Nation of Islam Minister Louis Farrakhan? In that thread it was called a travesty of high proportions but I am to take the silence here that this is acceptable or at least not worth loosing sleep over.

Do we have a double standard?

By the way, my comment though could be taken as racial was really an observation of party tolerance.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Endorsement

If I were running for office I would not want either man to endorse me.:tonofbricks:

 

[JamieinNH]

Do we have a double standard?

Yes, it's sad to see, but there is a double standard even here with the people at the BB.

It's the old lessor of two evils argument, but that argument has been discounted for what it really is a long time ago...

It just clearly shows they are not truely concerned about a story, but only the spin they can get out of it.

Jamie

 

[Martin]

I wonder if the mainstream media will ask Senator McCain if he denounces and rejects the views of John Hagee like was asked of Senator Obama concerning Louis Farrakhan.

CNN already has. While I have differences with John Hagee I am glad to see conservatives coming to their senses and gathering around John McCain. :thumbs:

Any attempt to put Hagee and Farrakhan in the same group is questionable. Why is Hagee so bad? Because he supports Israel, dispensational theology, and confronts the false teachings of the Roman Catholic Church? If that is why he is so bad then he is not that bad at all. I differ with Hagee on some issues related to his view of Israel, the gospel of wealth, his somewhat extreme form of dispensationalism, and Calvinism. However I don't see Hagee as being a bad person who should have endorsement of McCain rejected.

 

[KenH]

McCain Hedges on Hagee Endorsement

Senator McCain is already backing away from John Hagee:

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/02/29/mccain-hedges-on-hagee-endorsement/?mod=googlenews_wsj

 

[Baptist Believer]

It just clearly shows they are not truely concerned about a story, but only the spin they can get out of it.

I don't think you can fairly draw this conclusion...

McCain IS the only viable Republican candidate remaining, so Hagee's undesirable endorsement is mostly irrelevant. Obama and Clinton are locked in a war over the Democratic nomination, so any endorsements, especially from a flaky person like Farrakhan, can be used as political ammunition.

 

[KenH]

Why is Hagee so bad?

Quotes like these:

"“New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God and they were recipients of the judgment of God for that." - John Hagee after Hurricane Katrina hit

“Most readers will be shocked by the clear record of history linking Adolf Hitler and the Roman Catholic Church in a conspiracy to exterminate the Jews.’’ - John Hagee

 

[LeBuick]

Any attempt to put Hagee and Farrakhan in the same group is questionable..

Humm? Is this another double standard?

I don't think anyone was putting these two IN the same group as much as we acknowledge them both being OUT of mainstream thinking and neither being one any candidate seriously seeking the White House would want an endorsement from. However, I think they'll both equally accept the votes those endorsements will bring.

When Farrakhan endorses Obama we see pictures of Obama in native dress from a country he visited (which is a normal practice) and comments implying Farrakhan endorsement must imply a personal bond and similarity of views. We don't see this same comedic backlash from the Hagee/McCain endorsement.

I just found that interesting... :thumbs:

Maybe we should see McCain dressed as the devil condemning most of the world to hell?

 

[just-want-peace]

Quotes like these:

"“New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God and they were recipients of the judgment of God for that." - John Hagee after Hurricane Katrina hit

“Most readers will be shocked by the clear record of history linking Adolf Hitler and the Roman Catholic Church in a conspiracy to exterminate the Jews.’’ - John Hagee

While I would not dogmatically state the above as FACTS, I have a strong tendency to agree with JH on his statements.

I make this claim because I do believe that God is (is going to?) very harshly judge the US of A for its sins, just as He judged Sodom & Gomorrah, and anyone who flatly states that "it ain't so" is either naive, or has their head in the sand.

The first statement I would change as follows "I firmly believe that there is a strong possibility that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God and they were recipients of the judgment of God for that."

As to the Catholic statement, seems I've read somewhere that this is indeed the case, so while it ain't a very (?) PC statement, there just could be an element of truth in it. Considering how the church functioned in the past, I don't find this to be a far-fetched possibility, and if he can show a "clear record of history", then maybe he's correct.

But if you don't think God will judge/punish the US for her many sins, then I can understand your reluctance to consider the statements of JH as valid.

To each his own!

MARANATHA!!!!

 

[StefanM]

I'm sure Pastor Hagee probably said something like...

"I ENDORSE JOHN MCCAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

 

[The Scribe]

CNN already has. While I have differences with John Hagee I am glad to see conservatives coming to their senses and gathering around John McCain. :thumbs:

Any attempt to put Hagee and Farrakhan in the same group is questionable. Why is Hagee so bad?

Hagee does deny that Jesus was the Messiah when he came the first time. Which is wrong. He needs to change that view and he'd be better.

Hagee youtube

Quotes like these:

"“New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God and they were recipients of the judgment of God for that." - John Hagee after Hurricane Katrina hit

“Most readers will be shocked by the clear record of history linking Adolf Hitler and the Roman Catholic Church in a conspiracy to exterminate the Jews.’’ - John Hagee

Hagee was right about New Orleans being evil. Did God destroy New Orleans? It's possible.


Port Royal was once know as the wickedest cities on Earth. New Orleans now has that title. Port Royal was detroyed by an earthquake and is now mostly under water.

Traditions in New Orleans.

Southern Decadence started thirty-seven years ago as a simple going-away party. As a top gay Labor Day Weekend destination, it has evolved into one of our world's major annual events. One of the largest annual celebrations in New Orleans, it has become known as the "Gay Mardi Gras."

Gay pride New Orleans

Also, Mardi Gras another hedonistic event.

New Orleans also famously has a presence of its distinctive variety of Voodoo, due in part to syncretism with Roman Catholic beliefs, the fame of voodoo practitioner Marie Laveau, and New Orleans' distinctly Caribbean cultural influences. However, the exotic image of Voodoo within the city has been highly exploited by the tourism industry out of proportion to the small number of serious adherents to the religion.

Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans on a day that was reserved to observe “Southern Decadence.” Over 100,000 queers were about to gather at this ‘Gay Mardi Gras’ and commit unspeakable acts in the French Quarter. That’s right, a myriad of scandalous events including an annual parade, dance parties and a very creative costume contest. But, at long last—after 35 years of immoral tradition—God “punished” this wicked city. He sent Katrina.

Wicked City

After Hurricane Katrina, media attention focused on the reduced violent crime rate following the exodus of many New Orleanians. Conversely, a number of cities that took in Katrina evacuees had a significant increase in their murder rate.[50] Houston, for example, has had a 25%[51] increase in murders from the previous year.

As more residents return to New Orleans the trend is starting to reverse itself, although calculating the homicide rate remains difficult given that no authoritative source can cite a total population figure.[52] Regardless, statistics show that violent crime has returned to the city.

Although the city has lost more than 40% of its pre-Katrina population, the city has recaptured an infamous unwanted title as the nation's "murder capital", according to the FBI.[55] By November 2007, local media reports claim homicides had already eclipsed the previous year's numbers.[56] The city recorded a total of 209 homicides in 2007.

 

[Martin]

“New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God and they were recipients of the judgment of God for that." - John Hagee after Hurricane Katrina hit

==Since I believe that God is sovereign and is in control of all things I do believe that He either caused or allowed Katrina for some reason. I cannot rule out judgment as the reason. The same with 9/11 and everyother tragedy.

The Word of God states:

"That there is no one besides Me. I am the LORD, and there is no other, The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the LORD who does all these" -Is 45:6-7

“Most readers will be shocked by the clear record of history linking Adolf Hitler and the Roman Catholic Church in a conspiracy to exterminate the Jews.’’ - John Hagee

==There is a thread of holocaust historiography that asserts that there was a close relationship of some sort between Rome and the Nazi government of Germany. I refer you to a controversial work called Hitler's Pope. Then there are those who are responding to Hitler's Pope with books such as The Myth of Hitler's Pope. Personally I believe the issue is more complex than any of those author's allows for. Pope PiusXII had a personal dedication to, what one scholar has called, the "diplomatic church model". As such, the failure of Pius to respond to the events of the Holocaust in a timely and effective manner were the results of this view of how the Roman Catholic Church should engage in such issues. Was there antisemitism in the Roman Church (as well as the Protestant Church)? Certainly. Did that play a role in the decisions of Pius and the Vatican? Probably not. As has been pointed out, "virtually no evidence exists of overt antisemitism at this level". However the antisemitism of some Catholics in places like Germany, Austria, and Poland did have terrible results. So my view on this matter is that both sides make it too black and white. The role of the Vatican, Pius XII, and the larger Catholic Church in the Holocaust is complex and varies from situation to situation.

My point is that Hagee's views are not totally out of the ballpark. His views are represented by a certain school within the Holocaust historiography. Sadly those who fly off the handle and condemn Hagee for his views, and through Hagee's endorsement McCain, often have a very limited understanding of the issues. We must also keep in mind that, long before the Holocaust, the Catholic Church was condemned by protestant evangelicals. Why? Because of the Catholic Church's perverting of the Gospel and persecution of Christians. I am deeply bothered by the habit of so many evangelicals today of buddying up with Rome. We must never forget the warnings of Scripture about those who pervert the Gospel with works (Gal 1:6-9).

 

[Martin]

Humm? Is this another double standard?

==Yes. I have one standard for Christians and another for promoters of false religions. Call me silly, but I don't give false religions the benefit of the doubt.

I don't think anyone was putting these two IN the same group as much as we acknowledge them both being OUT of mainstream thinking

==I am not sure there is a "mainstream" in America. One person's mainstream is extreme to another person. So whether or not you believe Hagee is in or out of the mainstream depends upon which "mainstream" you are in. Personally I view Hagee as being slightly eccentric and wrong on certain issues. Do I consider him to be totally out of the ballpark? No.

When Farrakhan endorses Obama we see pictures of Obama in native dress from a country he visited (which is a normal practice) and comments implying Farrakhan endorsement must imply a personal bond and similarity of views. We don't see this same comedic backlash from the Hagee/McCain endorsement.

==I am not sure that Farrakhan's endorsement of Obama had anything to do with the release of the picture (which seems to have come from someone in the Clinton camp).

Maybe we should see McCain dressed as the devil condemning most of the world to hell?

==Actually it was the LORD Jesus who said that most people will not be saved (Matt. 7:13-14, 21-23, Lk 9:23-26, 13:22-28, etc).

 

[LeBuick]

==Yes. I have one standard for Christians and another for promoters of false religions. Call me silly, but I don't give false religions the benefit of the doubt. .

Ok Silly, didn't you even listen to the link that was posted above? http://youtube.com/watch?v=m8khCJTDD44

False religion, what is your definition of that if Hagee is not included?

But again, the double standard...

 

[Martin]

Ok Silly, didn't you even listen to the link that was posted above? http://youtube.com/watch?v=m8khCJTDD44

False religion, what is your definition of that if Hagee is not included?

But again, the double standard...

If you would take the time to investigate the theology behind Hagee's statement, instead of viewing a video clip that shows a tv commercial, you would find that the issue is how he is defining the term "Messiah" and what Hagee believes that role includes. It has roots in his hyper-dispensational beliefs.

Hagee does not deny the Deity of Christ:

"We believe in the deity of Jesus Christ as the only begotten Son of God. We believe in His substitutionary death for all men, His resurrection, and His eventual return to judge the world." -SOURCE

So while I may disagree with some things Hagee has to say, and while I would not endorse his ministry/teachings, I do not believe he is a false teacher.

Yes, I have a double standard and I have already explained that.

As for the video clip, that is old news. I saw that on Youtube sometime ago. So I have seen the video and I know what Hagee says. I think the problem here is that you have not taken the time to look into the statement to see what Hagee does or does not mean.

 

[Baptist in Richmond]

Do we have a double standard?

Don't be silly LeBuick: of course there is.

Regards,
BiR