John Hagee has been accused falsely

[LadyEagle]

From time to time he is slandered on this board by his enemies who accuse him of saying Jews can be saved by some other way than the blood of Jesus Christ.

Well I just NOW heard him preach and he just preached "the only way anyone can be saved is through the precious blood of Jesus! It's not the blood of animals, it's not the blood of the apostles, it's not the blood shed for freedom in wars, there is no other blood, no other way of salvation than the precious blood of Jesus."

I have heard him preach before and never heard him preach a false gospel. I wanted to hear him again to see if the rumor mongers are right about him. Well, they lie.

He is preaching a series on the 7 feasts of Israel. I just wanted to set the record straight. He has been falsely accused and maligned on this board. How this must grieve the Holy Spirit. It must be jealousy or some deep character or spiritual flaw. And it is wrong to accuse someone falsely.

What a shame.

 

[mozier]

There are a lot of Liberals on this board who will slander anyone who stands up for America or the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

So much for "Baptist Board."


mozier

 

[Kiffin]

It is not slander. It is not always what Hagee says but what he doesn't say he believes regarding the Jews. John Hagee does believe in 2 plans of salvation. CRI which tracks cultic teachings that enter into Evangelical Christianity has a article on him as well as other sites that quote Hagee himself. I think Hagee has been open that this is what he believes though he is muted about it on TV.

http://www.equip.org/free/DH005.htm


http://www.geocities.com/asterisktom/hagee.html


http://www.pfo.org/jonhagee.htm

http://www.apologeticsindex.org/h31.html

 

[massdak]

i looked at one of hagees magazines and i found that he has developed a salvation presentation on cd it all ends with the idea that a persons ability to make a decision for his own destination for eternity by being directed to a prayer and altar call.
my question is what is wrong with the new testaments way of salvation by one hearing the gospel and believing on Jesus?
it seems that hagee is more of a free will baptist in that respect. if he is a Christian or not i am not sure, if hagee is a Christian then he is obviously in error on doctrine and teaching.

 

[Dan Todd]

Back before Desert Storm - the Iraq war of George H.W. Bush - I heard John Hagee preach a message on what would happen to America during that war.

It was a good message - I paid attention to it the entire time - but he was 100% wrong. The USA did not suffer a devestating defeat as he claimed that they would - instead the USA and allies - whooped the enemy soundly - howbeit they did not finish the job.

What I learned from that lesson - stick to the Word and God and don't try to make the USA fit in prophecy - because you really have to strain to find her there!

Dan - for what it's worth!

 

[donnA]

Preaching Prosperity
John Hagee believes that all Christians should be financially prosperous so long as they continue to walk in obedience to God's ordinances. Although he does not subscribe to every doctrine common to the so-called Faith movement, he does agree with the movement's view that “poverty is caused by sin and disobeying the Word of God.”1 Hagee, like most other prosperity preachers, believes that “poverty is a curse..............
Promoting Positive Confession
Along with the prosperity message, Hagee accepts and promotes the doctrine of positive confession — a foundational teaching of the Faith movement which maintains that Christians can speak (i.e., positively confess) physical realities into existence as long as the believer exercises enough faith to accompany his or her verbal confession.......
Salvation Without Conversion?
Hagee is recognized as a fierce foe of anti-Semitism. An outspoken supporter of the Jewish people, Judaism, and the nation Israel, he has been given the “Humanitarian of the Year” award by the San Antonio B'nai B'rith Council. Hagee has also been bestowed the “ZOA Israel Service Award” by the Zionist Organization in Dallas and honored with the “Henrietta Szold Award” by the Texas Southern Region of Hadassah.

While his bold stance against anti-Semitism is certainly praiseworthy, Hagee's zealousness for the Jewish people and their cause has led him to commit a most serious doctrinal error — salvation for the Jews without conversion to Christianity.........
Though many may claim Hagee's preaching is helping to spread the Word of God and building a bridge of unity between the Christian and Jewish communities, the fact remains that his message contains elements which lie in direct and serious opposition to biblical truth.

<a href="http://www.apologeticsindex.org/h31.html" target="_blank">[/URL]

Pastor Hagee believes that the promise of Genesis 12:3 regarding the Jewish people and the nation of Israel, is an eternal covenant between God and the seed of Abraham to which God is ever faithful

http://http://www.raptureready.com/who/John_Hagee.html

John Hagee believes that all Christians should be financially prosperous so long as they continue to walk in obedience to God’s ordinances. Although he does not subscribe to every doctrine common to the so-called Faith movement, he does agree with the movement’s view that “poverty is caused by sin and disobeying the Word of God.”1 Hagee, like most other prosperity preachers, believes that “poverty is a curse.”2...Turning to the Bible, however, one finds a number of passages that run contrary to Hagee’s teachings concerning prosperity. Jesus Himself said, “Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God. . . . But woe to you who are rich . . .” (Luke 6:20, 24 NASB). James underscores this point when he asked, “. . . did not God choose the poor of this world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom which He promised to those who love Him?” (James 2:5). James later follows with stern words to the rich (5:1-6; cf. Mark 10:25). .......
While his bold stance against anti-Semitism is certainly praiseworthy, Hagee’s zealousness for the Jewish people and their cause has led him to commit a most serious doctrinal error — salvation for the Jews without conversion to Christianity. One newspaper account puts it this way:

Trying to convert Jews is a “waste of time,” he [Hagee] said. . . .

Everyone else, whether Buddhist or Baha’i, needs to believe in Jesus, he says. But not Jews. Jews already have a covenant with God that has never been replaced with Christianity, he says.

“The Jewish people have a relationship to God through the law of God as given through Moses,” Hagee said. “I believe that every Gentile person can only come to God through the cross of Christ. I believe that every Jewish person who lives in the light of the Torah, which is the word of God, has a relationship with God and will come to redemption.

“The law of Moses is sufficient enough to bring a person into the knowledge of God until God gives him a greater revelation. And God has not,” said Hagee ........
“There are right now Jewish people on this earth who have a powerful and special relationship with God,” declares Hagee in one of his books. “They have been chosen by the ‘election of grace’ in which God does what he does without asking man to approve or understand it. Let us put an end to the Christian chatter that “all the Jews are lost” and can’t be in the will of God until they convert to Christianity! . . . there are a certain number of Jews in relationship with God right now through divine election.......
The Bible paints a different picture. The apostle Paul demonstrates that Israel had a responsibility to respond to the Gospel, but rejected it. In Romans 10:19-21, he asks, “Did they [the Jews] fail to hear?” The rhetorical answer is “no.” Paul relates that, as light and darkness are understood by all, so the gospel has been made known to all the Jews (cf. Acts 17:6; 21:28). He continues, “Did they fail to understand?” The answer once again is “no.” Since Israel has become disobedient through unbelief (Rom. 11:30), God has delivered the gospel to the Gentiles........

In Hagee’s theology, the Jews can hardly be faulted for not flocking to Christianity since it was supposedly Jesus who declined their request for Him to be their Messiah. “The [Jewish] people wanted Him to be their Messiah, but He absolutely refused,” writes Hagee. “The Jews were not rejecting Jesus as Messiah, it was Jesus who was refusing to be the Messiah to the Jews!”..........
Though many may claim Hagee’s preaching is helping to spread the Word of God and building a bridge of unity between the Christian and Jewish communities, the fact remains that his message contains elements which lie in direct and serious opposition to biblical truth.

</a> Pointing out ones biblical errors is not slander, if it is many in the bible are giulty of slander, and God commands us to do it.

 

[donnA]

Our Commitment to Israel
We believe in the promise of Genesis 12:3 regarding the Jewish people and the nation of Israel. We believe that this is an eternal(nothing more needed certainly not Jesus)
covenant between God and the seed of Abraham to which God is faithful.....

Christians owe a debt of eternal gratitude to the Jewish people for their contributions that gave birth to the Christian faith. Jesus Christ, a prominent Rabbi from Nazareth said, "Salvation is of the Jews!" (St. John 4:22) consider what the Jewish people have given to Christianity:

a) The Sacred Scripture
b) The Prophets
c) The Patriarchs
d) Mary, Joseph, and Jesus Christ of Nazareth
e) The Twelve Disciples
f) The Apostles

It is not possible to say, "I am a Christian" and not love the Jewish people.(salvation depends on this apparently thats what he is saying) The Bible teaches that love is not what you say, but what you do. (1 John 3:18) "A bell is not a bell until you ring it, a song is not a song until you sing it, love is not love until you share it."

http://www.jhm.org/beliefs.asp
http://www.jhm.org/support-israel.asp

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by LadyEagle:
From time to time he is slandered on this board by his enemies who accuse him of saying Jews can be saved by some other way than the blood of Jesus Christ... Well I just NOW heard him preach and he just preached "the only way anyone can be saved is through the precious blood of Jesus!..."

We on the board are often quick to label someone we don't necessarily like or agree with as a false prophet. It's a problem that's way too common, that has made me nearly leave the board on several occaisions. It's almost gotten to the point where, if someone's called a "false prophet" or "wolf in sheep's clothing" on this board, they're probably doing something right. The term is used to much on this board, that when there really is a false prophet, we sould like little more than boys crying wolf. As for me, I'm spiritually mature enough to differentiate between a message I dislike or disagree with, and a message that's "false".

As for the topic, I don't know too much about John Hagee, but from what I've seen, he's perfectly fine. He's a little too charismatic for my tastes, but everyone's tastes are different. He appears to to be well versed and knoledgeable. May God bless him for using his spiritual gifts.

 

[LadyEagle]

Originally posted by donnA:

Preaching Prosperity
John Hagee believes that all Christians should be financially prosperous so long as they continue to walk in obedience to God's ordinances.....(and the rest of the quotations from this site)

This is just here say - an opinion posted on a web site. Period.

Re: the link to John Hagee's site, I happen to agree with what he posts there and the quote is this:

Our Commitment to Israel
We believe in the promise of Genesis 12:3 regarding the Jewish people and the nation of Israel. We believe that this is an eternal
covenant between God and the seed of Abraham to which God is faithful.....

NOT THIS, AS WAS POSTED ABOVE:

Our Commitment to Israel
We believe in the promise of Genesis 12:3 regarding the Jewish people and the nation of Israel. We believe that this is an eternal[(nothing more needed certainly not Jesus)...added to JH's quote above)]
covenant between God and the seed of Abraham to which God is faithful.....

This is what I mean. Misinterpretations, twisting words to mean something else...well, it sounds like what some people do regularly here on the Baptist board. Why should I be surprised? Well, I'm not. I'm disgusted.

 

[Johnv]

Well, I disagree with John Hagee's interpretations regarding Israel. But does that make him a false prophet? No. From what I can tell he's a perfectly good preacher, doing what he's been called to do.

As I said earlier, disagreeing with a preacher doesn't make that person a bad preacher, or less of a man of God, to say nothing of the "false prophet" arguement.

The man's fine. Leave him alone. If we want to discuss something he espouses, that's one thing. But for the rest, let him do the work he's been called to do, to the best of his human ability.

 

[donnA]

quote:
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Our Commitment to Israel
We believe in the promise of Genesis 12:3 regarding the Jewish people and the nation of Israel. We believe that this is an eternal
covenant between God and the seed of Abraham to which God is faithful.....

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NOT THIS, AS WAS POSTED ABOVE:

I did not reword his quotes, I have better things to do.
So you agree that Jews have a free ride and that the O.T. covenant is still in effect and they don't need the new coventant of the N.T.(Jesus)? Huhh, odd. Not biblical either.
yep, I'm disgustred too that anyone would believe that garbage, made up, not biblical junk.

This is just here say - an opinion posted on a web site. Period.
[/qiote]
Sorry, but becasue you haven't heard him say it does not mean it is not true. Do you think people sit around and make up lying doctrines for peoplelike him. Now thats something else, more silly then anything.
I went back and got the references from when and where he said the prosperity junk, being poor is sin. Here you go. Not hearsay, but came from his mouth.

1John Hagee, Praise-A-Thon broadcast, Trinity Broadcasting Network (TBN), 16 April 1993.

2John Hagee, Praise-A-Thon broadcast, TBN, 4 November 1992.

http://www.equip.org/free/DH005.htm
If you think I've rewritten and altered stuff you are more then welcome to go to the sites and investigate for yourself, a little investigateion into him wouldn't hurt would it, if your confident that is.


John, if you think he is worng that jews do need salvation thorugh Jesus, then yes he is a false prophet, he has changed what salvation is and all men's need of Jesus for salvation. If it isn't biblical it is false,and one teaching it is false.

People seem to put thier own wants and themselves ahead of scripture, someone is teaching false stuff that is contrary to scripture and then they perfer that person just becasue they want to. Putting their will above God's. God's will is for us to turn form people like this, not soak up their false teachings. Like some people(jews) are choosen and do not need Jesus to go to heaven, they are just going. Does that sounds like scripture?

 

[Johnv]

If everyone who espoused a different scriptural interpretation than me was a false prophet, then everyone would be a false prophet. No, sorry, I disagree with the man, but I don't think he's a false prophet. He believes in his interpretation, and he appears to provide scriptural support. That doesn't mean he's a false prophet, it means I disagree with his scriptural conclusion.

 

[go2church]

Hagee has not been able to shake the dual salvation label that had followed him for years. Very much the same way TD Jakes has not been able to convince everyone he is not still a follower of the oneness-holiness theology. I don't care for Hagee and after reading some of his books listening to his presentation of Revelation I like him even less. He may say he doesn't teach dual salvation, but if you follow his teaching out to their logical conclusions, that is where they end up. If it talks like a duck, walks like a duck and looks like a duck what your dealing with here is a duck!

See what happens when you chop the bible up into seven little bits and then try to stick it back together in the end...it just doesn't work that way. You end up with bad theology.

 

[Daniel David]

Genesis 12:3 is a promise to ABRAHAM, not Jews. Please professor, turn out the light, I enjoy the dark.

Hagee is an idiot. Very hard to believe he has a following.

 

[donnA]

John, so I guess in your estimation anyone can say they beleive anything about the bible and as long as they sincerly beleive it then it's ok, nothing false there? No, sorry doesn't hold weight with scripture itself.

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by donnA:
John, so I guess in your estimation anyone can say they beleive anything about the bible and as long as they sincerly beleive it then it's ok, nothing false there? No, sorry doesn't hold weight with scripture itself.

No, I'm saying that if a person can support something by scriptural interpretation, then they're not automatically a false prophet. I think John Hagee is mistaken, but I don't think he's a false prophet. He does have scriptural evidence, but his conclusions are, imo, incorrect. A false prophet would be one who ntentionally twits scripture to fit their own agenda. This is not what John Hagee is doing. He sincerely believes what he's teaching is scripturally correct. He's not lying, twisting, or decieving. He's, imo, mistaken, but he's not being deceiving.

Case in point: Many here on this board assert scriptural support that women cannot be pastors, even though the scriptural support they use is taken out of context. Does that mean that, if someone says women can't be preachers, they're being a false prophet in my eyes, or that, if I say women CAN be preachers, I'm a false prophet in their eyes? No, not at all. Otherwise, the SBC would be a false prophet for forbidding women preachers.

 

[Grasshopper]

I just wanted to set the record straight. He has been falsely accused and maligned on this board. How this must grieve the Holy Spirit. It must be jealousy or some deep character or spiritual flaw. And it is wrong to accuse someone falsely.

What a shame.

Kinda like labeling someone anti-semetic because they don't agree with you on eschatology.
Yes Mr. Hagee, I know how you feel.

 

[rbrent]

I've listened to John Hagee preach on TV over the years.

I stopped listening to his preaching a couple of years ago after I heard him refer to Mary as "the mother of God" on several different occasions.

The first time, I thought he mispoke.

The second time I figured he must be using the phrase on purpose.

He is too familiar with the scriptures to believe that the "mother of God" heresy is scriptural.

Anyone have any idea why John Hagee would refer to Mary as "the mother of God"?

 

[Mike McK]

Haggee's a false teacher. Christians have no business listening to him.

I also find it a little difficult to take him seriously when he weighs over 300 lbs and goes on his show selling diet programs but that's another story.

 

[Dina]

Johnv,
I mean no disrespect to you. I tend to agree with alot of your posts but on this, I have to chime in.

In the case of Hagee, and many others IMO, they have been told what they are teaching is not in accordance of scripture, yet they go on saying the same thing. I agree, that alone does not make a false teacher.
So then, that is when I ask myself two questions.
1. Is what they are saying "false"?
2. Are they "teaching" what they are saying that is false?