John Hagee

Yes. He's the televangelist who weighs 500 pounds, but sells weight loss products on his show. </font>[/QUOTE]Attack a person's appearance...unreal.

 

Yes. He's the televangelist who weighs 500 pounds, but sells weight loss products on his show. </font>[/QUOTE]Attack a person's appearance...unreal. </font>[/QUOTE]Actually, I never attacked his appearance, I attacked the hypocrisy of a morbidly obese person telling me how to lose weight.

 

Yes. He's the televangelist who weighs 500 pounds, but sells weight loss products on his show. </font>[/QUOTE]Attack a person's appearance...unreal. </font>[/QUOTE]Actually, I never attacked his appearance, I attacked the hypocrisy of a morbidly obese person telling me how to lose weight. </font>[/QUOTE]And my point is...WHO CARES?? What does a man's appearance and sales ability have to do with what he preaches? IT DOESN'T!

 

Stop the gossip? If you insist, Martin- -but first I want to hear all about your slur against James Dobson. What were you thinking!!!!!!!

 

You said:
but first I want to hear all about your slur against James Dobson. What were you thinking!!!!!!!


==To be honest...I am really not sure what I was thinking. I just got outraged about the fact that he had Dr Laura on his show promoting her a few years ago (and I heard the show). It just hit me one day that she is an open Christ rejector who teaches that Jesus is not the way, the truth, the life, and the only way to the Father. I also am disturbed by Dobson's political activism.

As you can guess, the result of my "slur" was not pretty. In fact it was over this that I ended up leaving CARM. Let's just say that most did not agree with me

Martin.

 

Try telling that to the Rick Warren detractors who criticize Warren for those very things (among others).

For example, the preacher in the last online sermon I listened to in which Warren was mentioned seemed to take particular glee in denouncing Warren due to his penchant for wearing (gasp!) Hawaiian-style shirts.

 

I agree, which is why I've never said that it does.

Haggee has enough problems with his teaching without dragging his weight into it.

Again, what I was commenting on wasn't his teaching, but the hypocrisy of someone who is morbidly obese trying to tell me that I should lose weight.

I've been an athelete since childhood. I will pit my weight and my condition against his any day of the week.

Why would I buy a weight loss plan from a fat guy, anyway?

I mean, if it was any good, why didn't it work for him?

 

Well, there ain't no scripture requirement to "cut the mustard".

Hagee isn't my cup of tea. The only time I get my doctrinal antennae up is when he goes on about Jews and heaven (which imo doesn't line up with scripture). Other than that, he seems to be okay. Again, he's not my cup of tea, but just because I don't care for him, that doesn't make him a bad guy. Others seem to like him just fine. To each his own.

 

He's like alot of preachers on TV. You have to pick out the meat from the bones.

 

I have heard hagee preach if Jesus was here today, He would be wearing a Rolex. In the sermon Hagee talked about Jesus be wealthy while on Earth. Jesus owned several homes...etc. It just don't add up to the Bible accounts of Christ on this earth.

 

I've heard those quotes attributed to several different preachers on TV. Either several of them are saying the exact same thing, or somebody's quoting what they heard somebody heard somebody said.

 

His kids are good singers !

 

Where are the sources for all of these claims?

I am not asking for newspaper clippings or a link to some webpage. I am asking for actual tapes, cds, or books where Hagee has made these claims.

Martin.

 

Hey Martin,

Don't hold your breath, Bro.

 

I've heard him over TBN cable---listened long enough to know I don't need to be listening to him any longer.

But my wife's Grandfather---he thinks Hagee is the best thing since "Sliced Bread!"

Blackbird

 

Give him a listen and compare him with scripture and you might see what some of us have heard...unbiblical teaching.

I don't know about anyone else, but once I hear a Pastor teach unbiblical things on the essentials of Christianity I stop listening to them and thinking they are all that.

 

As I read these threads about TV preachers, I wonder if the people who are criticizing them believe everything that their own pastor preaches. Are these people going to stop going to church to listen to their pastors because they disagree with them?

I think that most of these men are Godly men and are doing the work and the will of the Lord. Who are we to criticize them because they differ in our understanding of the Bible.

Now, I know the argument that we have to be careful of false teachers, but personally, I do not believe that everything that these men teach is false. Maybe I am listening with a different ear.

I like the message of Jim Hagee I just don't like his presentation. Of course, I have not analzed everyone of his sermons.

 

Rachel,

You said:
Give him a listen and compare him with scripture and you might see what some of us have heard...unbiblical teaching.

==I am very familiar with the teachings of John Hagee. I have seen his tv show many, many times and I own several of his books. I know what he teaches and I know where I agree and where I strongly disagree. That is not the issue. The issue here is that alot of people are making claims based on, at best, secondary sources. I want to see some direct quotes from his books, cds, videos (etc) with page numbers, tape nubmers, etc, so everyone else can verify the claim. These secondary sources are other people saying "John Hagee said" which may or maynot be trustworthy. Since we have access to all of his material there should be no problem fulfilling my request for direct sources (etc).

You said:
I don't know about anyone else, but once I hear a Pastor teach unbiblical things on the essentials of Christianity I stop listening to them and thinking they are all that.

==I agree and that is why I pay zero attention to 90% of the tv preachers. However when I critize them I will provide direct quotes (etc) as my evidence and not secondary sources.

Martin.

 

Well this below is some of what Hagee teaches.
It's not from his site so you might want to ignore it. lol

http://www.apologeticsindex.org/h31.html

A number of people consider Hagee's teachings to be thoroughly biblical. We would disagree with Hagee, however, on the following points.

Preaching Prosperity
John Hagee believes that all Christians should be financially prosperous so long as they continue to walk in obedience to God's ordinances. Although he does not subscribe to every doctrine common to the so-called Faith movement, he does agree with the movement's view that “poverty is caused by sin and disobeying the Word of God.”1 Hagee, like most other prosperity preachers, believes that “poverty is a curse.”
[...]

Promoting Positive Confession
Along with the prosperity message, Hagee accepts and promotes the doctrine of positive confession — a foundational teaching of the Faith movement which maintains that Christians can speak (i.e., positively confess) physical realities into existence as long as the believer exercises enough faith to accompany his or her verbal confession.
[...]

Salvation Without Conversion?
Hagee is recognized as a fierce foe of anti-Semitism. An outspoken supporter of the Jewish people, Judaism, and the nation Israel, he has been given the “Humanitarian of the Year” award by the San Antonio B'nai B'rith Council. Hagee has also been bestowed the “ZOA Israel Service Award” by the Zionist Organization in Dallas and honored with the “Henrietta Szold Award” by the Texas Southern Region of Hadassah.

While his bold stance against anti-Semitism is certainly praiseworthy, Hagee's zealousness for the Jewish people and their cause has led him to commit a most serious doctrinal error — salvation for the Jews without conversion to Christianity.

Though many may claim Hagee's preaching is helping to spread the Word of God and building a bridge of unity between the Christian and Jewish communities, the fact remains that his message contains elements which lie in direct and serious opposition to biblical truth.
Source: John Hagee, Christian Research Institute Statement DH005

 

I've heard some Baptists criticize Hagee for his acceptance of extra-Biblical revelation, mainly through the delivery of a "word from the Lord" accompanied by signs and wonders. I don't find any places where he has written directly about this, though that would be consistent with some Charismatic and Pentecostal teaching.

Frankly, I don't really see a problem with John Hagee. I believe a lot of the criticism he receives, especially from the fundamentalist side of Christianity, is sparked by professional jealousy over the fact that he's been able to build a large congregation that is younger and more vibrant than most Baptists are able to do these days.

The one thing I don't like about him is his negativism toward believers in other faith traditions. I don't think you are doing your congregation or listeners any favors by constantly putting up straw arguments about the doctrinal flaws of other faiths. Paul didn't tell the Philippian jailer to achieve doctrinal correctness to be saved, he said to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, so that God's grace can save you. Differences in interpreting select passages of scripture are the result of a different approach to interpretation, not salvation by grace, and criticizing other denominations and their beliefs just cuts down your own credibility and makes you come off as arrogant. Just ask any one of a hundred people who live in the neighborhood around my church to tell you what they don't like about Baptists. Hagee does the same sort of thing to get a rise out of the gathered.