John Hagee

You should see the threads about Billy Graham...

 

You should see the threads about Billy Graham... </font>[/QUOTE]Yep, I was there for that one. Same song, different verse. Joel Osteen was by far the worst.

 

This site:
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/h31.html
sez
//While his bold stance against anti-Semitism is certainly praiseworthy, Hagee's zealousness for the Jewish people and their cause has led him to commit a most serious doctrinal error — salvation for the Jews without conversion to Christianity. Source: John Hagee, Christian Research Institute Statement DH005//

Until I find this taught by Hagee, i will consider it a false
witness (Deu 5:20 /KJV1611 Edition/ Neither shalt thou beare
false witnesse against thy neighbour.) Both Apologetics Index
and Christian Research Institue have reason to NOT accurately
reflect Hagee's sayings.


At Hagee's site:
http://www.jhm.org
i find:

//Every Christian should remember the debt of gratitude the Christian community owes to the Jewish community. The Jewish people do not need Christianity to explain their existence or their origin. But Christians cannot explain their existence without Judaism.//

Amen, Brother Hagee -- Preach it!

Maybe to some, these are the same? They are NOT the same to me

 

My husband just said how can they agree with someone that has said all jews are going to Heaven, without having salvation through Jesus?
We both heard that from Hagee's mouth maybe 5 yrs ago, when I watched those channels. It just makes me go hmmm.

 

I beleive it is a sin to dis the chosen vessel
of God over one misunderstood saying.
Do we bounce from Church to church every time
the pastor makes a boo-boo?

I believe what Peter said:

Act 4:12 (KJV1611 Edition):
Neither is there saluation in any other: for there
is none other name vnder heauen giuen among
men whereby we must be saued.

And that name is Jesus.

I believe that the Tribulation Period under the world
ruled by Antichrist is to save a maximum number of Jews.
When the Anctichrist commits the Abomination of
Desolation (AoD) and goes into the restored 3rd temple
at mid-tribulation and declares himself God, many Jews
will then see Jesus as their Messiah and be saved.

One way to say the same thing is: there is
"salvation for the Jews without conversion to Christianity".
This saying does NOT mean the same thing as saying:
"there is salvation for the Jews outside of Jesus".

Christianity does not save anybody - people are saved by
Jesus. I am a gentile. I believe that Jesus is the
Christ ('Christ' comes to English
from a Greek word meaning 'the anointed
one of God). Believing Jews of this Age of the Gentiles
that we are in - Messianic Jews
believe that Jesus is the Messiah ('Messiah' comes to
English from a Hebrew word meaning 'the anointed
one of God).

In the 1940s some six million Jews (not necessarily Messianic
Jews) were killed by the terrorists of the Hitler camp
IN THE NAME OF 'CHRIST'. Needless to say, no Jew wants to
ever become a Christian - Messianic Jew yes, Christian no.

So yes, i don't tell my Jewish friends they have to
become Chritians to be saved.

Again, all salvation in every age is through faith
in Messiah Yeshua (AKA: Iesus in the KJV1611 Edition,
Jesus in the modern version KJV, and many other names
in many languaged) -- the one and only name whereby we
MUST BE SAVED!

 

"Jesus was not poor...Jesus had a nice house! John 1:38 says that Jesus turned to those that were following him and said, 'Come with me.' And they said, 'Where dwellest thou?' He said, 'Come and see.' And Jesus took that whole crowd home with Him to stay in His house. That meant it was a big house! Jesus wore fine clothes! John 19:23 says, 'He had a seamless robe.' Roman soldiers gambled for it at the foot of the cross. It was a designer original! It was valuable enough for them to want it!...And then there are christians that have a poverty complex that says, 'Well, I feel guilty about having nice things.' Jesus didn't!"---John Hagee, Praise-A-Thon, Trinity Broadcasting Network November 5, 2004

"Poverty is caused by sin and disobeying the Word of God."---John Hagee, Praise-A-Thon, Trinity Broadcasting Network April 16, 1993

"Poverty is a curse."---John Hagee, Praise-A-Thon, Trinity Broadcasting Network Nov 4, 1992

"The Jews were not rejecting Jesus as Messiah, it was Jesus who was refusing to be the Messiah to the Jews!"--John Hagee, Should Christians Support Israel? pg 67-68

There are Jewish people who have relationship with God right now according to the election of grace. (Romans 11:5) ... The Jewish people are judicially blinded to the identity of Messiah... Question: If God blinded the Jewish people to the identity of Jesus as Messiah, how could He send them to hell for not seeing what he had forbidden them to see? ... Inasmuch as God has blinded them to the identity of Messiah, targeting the Jewish people for mass evangelism is fruitless."---John Hagee letter (on Cornerstone Church letterhead) to Erwin M. de Castro of the Christian Research Institute, October 18, 1994,

 

Thanks for the quotes Dina. Hagee is just your typical Word of Faith Charismatic Preacher plus he is hyperdispensational who has a unusual obsession with Israel (Reminds me of Roman Catholic devotion to Mary) and who allows Jewish rabbis to share the Church podium at their "Support Israel rally" and even had a unbeliever like Benjamin Netanyahu speak from the Church pulpit.

 

It overwhelms me that there are people who will defend a preacher who teaches what is obviously false doctrine. God help us.

 

It overwhelms me that there are BAPTIST people who will defend a NONBAPTIST or a BAPTIST preacher who teaches what is obviously false doctrine.

But then I'm a Calvinist so what do I know?

 

You couldn't help but say that, could you, Hardsheller?

 

Thanks for taking that in the spirit in which it was intended. Praise!

 

Thank you, Brother Ed for your posts.