John Hagee's background and beliefs?

Same here.

Yep. The health and wealth stuff is straight out of the "New Faith Movement" that birthed groups such as "Christian Science"(sic) and "Unity". Kenneth Hagin plagarized E.W. Kenyon's writings (a New England minister heavily influenced by New Thought) and introduced it to the modern charismatic movement a number of years ago. It has nothing to do with the Christian faith and completely undermines the message of the gospel and the call of Christ.

 

Same here.

Yep. The health and wealth stuff is straight out of the "New Faith Movement" that birthed groups such as "Christian Science"(sic) and "Unity". Kenneth Hagin plagarized E.W. Kenyon's writings (a New England minister heavily influenced by New Thought) and introduced it to the modern charismatic movement a number of years ago. It has nothing to do with the Christian faith and completely undermines the message of the gospel and the call of Christ. </font>[/QUOTE]I will take all the wealth and the health that God will give me!!
Who wouldn't

 

Yes, me, too. I'm a child of the King & He owns the cattle on 1000 hills!

 

Ever seen more wealth make a person more spiritual? I have seen many ruined by what they did with wealth.

 

Ever seen more wealth make a person more spiritual? I have seen many ruined by what they did with wealth. </font>[/QUOTE]People are not ruined by too much wealth, but because of too little character.

 

Praise God,
God not only owns the cattle but He owns the Hills also!!!!!!

 

Do you know for sure that he left his wife to marry his secretary or is that just hearsay?

 

I think there are several sites that quote him saying exactly that. There is a interview he did with the Houston Chronicle where he states that. It is well documented and not just rumor. Hagee is silent on that. He even had Jewish Rabbis come and share the podium with him on one of his support Israel rallies. He probably will not get to blatant about his 2 Covenant theology because the support for his ministry will stop.

I did not say he was not a Christian but he is a False Teacher. Those are your words. I know not whether Hagee is a Christian or not. I use the term heretic very selectively. I am a Calvinist but I do not consider Arminians heretics (Though I believe they are in error). I am a Baptist but I do not believe Presbyterians, Episcopalians or Methodists are heretics just because they baptize babies. (Though I believe they are in error). Anyone however that teaches 2 plans of Salvation or in Hagee's case one plan for the Gentile and one for the Jew is a heretic or False Teacher. He needs to repent and recant his statements made to a Houston paper (Check one of the links earlier in this thread)

 

"That there are moral and ethical concerns with Hagee and a serious question as to his being biblically qualified as a pastor and teacher are not the main issues of this article. However, one very important factor should be noted. The Liberty Flame reported in May 1994 that during the time when Hagee was serving the Charismatic congregation at Trinity Church (1976) in San Antonio, he divorced his wife, resigned and married a young woman in the congregation, Diana Castro. Custody of Hagee’s two children by his ex-wife, Martha, went to her.

In a letter to the church, Hagee admitted immorality, which later became part of the court records in the custody battle. Martha later also remarried and started another family. Not surprisingly, there is a hiatus from 1976 to 1987 left out of Hagee’s web site biography."

from http://www.isitso.org/guide/whoiswho.html#hagee

I have never personally spoken to the man about this issue. You don't have to live in SA very long to hear the same story over and over.

I have heard dual salvation preached when I was much younger in a church that believed in dispensationalism. Where they get that I don't really know.

 

Could these rabbis have been Messianic Jewish Rabbis?

I see nothing on his web site about a dual salvation message. Nothing.

 

Have you forgiven Him?

 

Well, I'm not a big fan of Hagee, and given a chance, probably wouldn't attend Cornerstone Church. But then, he's no further off the truth in his particular brand of dispensational premillenialism than any one of a dozen prominent Baptists, and as to his moral character, divorce and qualification for the pulpit, well, the so-called "conservative resurgence" in the SBC endorses divorced and remarried ministers by placing them on selected and prominent trustee boards. And although he's not serving as a pastor, one of the big time conservative leaders in the SBC is three times divorced and re-married, serves on the Executive Committee of the SBC and is one of the more revered leaders of the "conservative resurgence." I think one of the more prominent SBC churches, also in the "resurgence" crowd, has a well known divorced pastor who still sells a lot of books to the conservative, fundamentalist folks who line up to buy them. So I don't think Baptists have a whole lot of room to talk.

Cornerstone Church ex-members account for about a third of the congregation I pastor, and there are some wounds from the "CEO-Pastor is the Master" model that is followed there, but again, there isn't anything much different than from the many members we have who came from Baptist churches following the same model.

The whole point of the Christian faith is that God's grace brings forgiveness of our sin and restores our relationship to God through Christ. No pastor is perfect. But the fact remains that many people come to Christ through the ministry of Cornerstone Church and that "style" of leadership, while it doesn't set well with me, does work for some people, and it is clear that God is using it to advance his kingdom. The doctrinal differences are more a matter of strong opinion and presuppositions. Cornerstone has its litany of prooftexts to back up its view as well as a detailed system of spinning the way they interpret those passages, just like most Baptists. What good comes from calling them heretics and putting them down?

 

No they were area Rabbis plus he had Benjamin Netanyahu (Hope I spelled that right) speak either at that service or another. It was not a Sunday morning service but a support Israel rally. I have said before Hagee is not going to advertise all his beliefs (neither do Mormons). He is Charismatic but downplays that theology on TV.

Here are some quotes,
“I believe that every Jewish person who lives in the light of the Torah, which is the word of God, has a relationship with God and will come to redemption

“In fact, trying to convert Jews is a ‘waste of time,’ he said. ‘The Jewish person who has his roots in Judaism is not going to convert to Christianity. There is no form of Christian evangelism that has failed so miserably as evangelizing the Jewish people. They (already) have a faith structure.’ Everyone else, whether Buddhist or Baha’i, needs to believe in Jesus, he says. But not Jews. Jews already have a covenant with God that has never been replaced by Christianity, he says.”


“Here is my position on the Jewish people... Fact One: God has not cast away the Jewish people. Fact Two: According to Romans 11:5 there are Jewish people (‘a remnant’) who have a spiritual relationship with God at this present time... according to ‘the election of grace.’”13

Houston Chronicle, April 30, 1988, sec. 6, pg. 1


““In Romans 10, Romans 11, Paul opens with a question, Has God forsaken Israel? And emphatically he says, ‘No!’ He asks the same question again in 11:11, Has God forsaken Israel? He says, ‘No!’ But the fact is he says that God has a remnant chosen by the election of grace, meaning that there are a group of Jewish people that have a relationship with God because of sovereign election. And he explains sovereign election in Romans 11. Many people understand sovereign election. Many people do not understand sovereign election. ... So he said, I have chosen some of the remnant of Abraham who have, quote, a relationship with God by the election of grace. Some of them have stumbled over Jesus Christ because I have, Romans 11, judicially blinded them to the identity of Jesus Christ. Here’s the Christian dilemma. That if God has judicially blinded the Jews to whom Jesus Christ is, why are Christians berating them for not seeing it?”
David Becker, “John Hagee Warns of Martin Luther’s Theology,” Religion & Politics Digest, RPD 3207, 07/22/98, pp. 3-4


John Hagee has never said he was being misrepresented by these articles and considering his borderline idolatry of Israel it should come to no suprise.

 

Thank you. There are plenty of beams in plenty of eyes to go around on all counts.

A very intelligent, articulate man, an Israeli hero. Did you know his brother was murdered at En Tebbe? I have praying he will one day meet his Messiah.