John MacArthur - Dispensationalism

[percho]

One more question and then I'm going, night, night.

and when the fulness of time did come, God sent forth His Son, come of a woman, come under law,

Is that dispensational?

 

[timtofly]

It seems obvious you struggle with apocalyptic language. John was not being literal, despite you wanting him to think like you.
Pre-mill just wasn't a view in the early church. They didn't think like you.

They did not look back over the last 1992 years since the Cross.

Yet you claim they did not see a future reign? John was being literal. You are just being obstinate.

It is interesting that the Jews and early church were at odds with each other fighting over the same God. You have failed to prove that neither were looking for an earth that would last millions of years. They both were waiting for God to come dwell with them. Of course the Jews could care less how long God would live with them. Yet the early church were told that Jesus would literally reign 1,000 years after a return. So the church had no reason whatsoever to think John was being symbolic. They literally gave the Jews a run for their money. They claimed God was Jesus and that He gave them a time frame for ruling the earth. Did you forget that Israel was still looking for God to come? That was never symbolic. Not sure why you modern day people looking back over history, cannot see that Israel is still waiting for their Messiah. Just because you have that much more understanding, does not mean you get to dictate the 1,000 year reign as you see fit.

 

[timtofly]

One more question and then I'm going, night, night.

and when the fulness of time did come, God sent forth His Son, come of a woman, come under law,

Is that dispensational?

If you take it literally, you are more than likely to be called a dispensationalist.

Those who call every thing a shadow, seem to forget that which is real and literal casts a shadow, and they are looking at the wrong thing. Take a look at dispensations instead of just their shadow they cast.

 

[Van]

Here is a link addressing the topic:

Why Every Self-Respecting Calvinist Is NOT A Premillennial Dispensationalist: A Concise Case For Reformed Amillennialism - The New Geneva

 

[percho]

From Blue Letter Bible

Somewhere around year of our Lord 48 statements were made relative Jews and others from out of the nations of having been given by God the gift of the Holy Spirit and verse 15 states that the scriptures ie writings had stated that would take place. Then there follows verse 16 ect

Acts 15:16 TR Μετὰ ταῦτα ἀναστρέψω καὶ ἀνοικοδομήσω τὴν σκηνὴν Δαβὶδ τὴν πεπτωκυῖαν καὶ τὰ κατεσκαμμένα αὐτῆς ἀνοικοδομήσω καὶ ἀνορθώσω αὐτήν

Μετὰ ταῦτα - After theses, What these? After what has ben talked about from verse 1 through verse 14, after God, has chosen, from the Jews and from the nations a people for his name, by giving them the gift of the Holy Spirit. That is the, these.

QUESTIONS - At the present time is God still visiting the nations and choosing a people for his name by giving them the Holy Spirit? Sanctifying them?
Why? What is their purpose with the Lord, Christ? Is Matt 19;28 relevant? What about Luke 19:11-19?

ἀναστρέψω - vi Fut Act 1 Sg

καὶ ἀνοικοδομήσω - vi Fut Act 1 Sg

Does giving the Holy Spirit to the chosen ones have to take place before the other takes place?

All need to go and re-read Daniel two. The word of God is about government. Government on the EARTH. The inhabited earth. Before the foundation of the world, God had a plan and that plan concerned Himself, the Adversary the devil and man and nothing, absolutely nothing has hindered that plan.

put on the whole armour of God, for your being able to stand against the wiles of the devil, because we have not the wrestling with blood and flesh, but with the principalities, with the authorities, with the world-rulers of the darkness of this age, with the spiritual things of the evil in the heavenly places; Eph 6:11,12 YLT --- This age?
And Jesus answering said to them, 'The sons of this age do marry and are given in marriage, but those accounted worthy to obtain that age, and the rising again that is out of the dead, neither marry, nor are they given in marriage; Luke 20:34,35 YLT


and God saith, 'Let light be;' and light is. And God seeth the light that it is good, and God separateth between the light and the darkness, and God calleth to the light 'Day,' and to the darkness He hath called 'Night;' and there is an evening, and there is a morning -- day one. Gen 1:3-5 YLT
And Jehovah God saith, 'Not good for the man to be alone, I do make to him an helper -- as his counterpart.'
therefore doth a man leave his father and his mother, and hath cleaved unto his wife, and they have become one flesh. Gen 2:18,24 YLT

BTW Exactly what did she help him do? Maybe we should look for her help in Gen 3:15 & Matt 1:23

 

[37818]

Historical premil was the dominant church position until Augustine made Amil replace it!

The irregular churches.