Wonder what he would have thought about that happening?
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John R. Rice and the KJV
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John R. Rice's Sword of the Lord promoted and published Jack Hyles' books in the 1960s and 1970s. This means that Rice also agreed with Hyles "Let's Go Soul Winning". One of the few disagreements between the two was on the topic of storehouse tithing.
Jack Hyles changed his views concerning the KJV. In his book Let's Study the Revelation, Jack Hyles clearly was not KJV-only as Hyles advocated some readings in the book of Revelation that are found in the Critical Text.
At some point after John R. Rice passed away, Jack Hyles would change his earlier views to a KJV-only view.
But it appears that John R Rice always agreed with Hyles's methods of soul winning, or else they would have never been published.
You seem to be confused. Jack Hyles' new KJV-only view is evident in his 1993 book entitled Enemies of Soul Winning with its fifth chapter being entitled "False Bibles--an Enemy of Soul Winning". This 1993 book was published over 10 years after John R. Rice's death. That 1993 book is not the same as the much earlier book on soul winning published by the Sword of The Lord.
Was often blessed by John R's preaching and his kindness. Not a fan of some of the easy-believism of his theological methods, but a good brother. Sadly, watched another friend, Jack Hyles, go "off the rails". Jack gave me an autographed copy of his book on church administration when I completed grad school.
Sadly, since I was led to the Lord using a 1901 ASV and not the King James, I was lost according to Jack's later defection from the faith.
Sadly, since I was led to the Lord using a 1901 ASV and not the King James, I was lost according to Jack's later defection from the faith.
Did Jack Hyles believe in free grace theology like Dallas Theological Seminary or was it more extreme?
He believed and taught an "easy-believism" of simple faith without repentance or much understanding. 1-2-3 pray after me.
Zeal without knowledge. Thousands "think" they will go to heaven because of raising a hand, walking an aisle, or spouting magic words.
I remember reading where a neighbor got tired of Hyles coming to his house multiple times - he remarked that he finally said the "1-2-3 prayer" - it worked - Hyles didn't come to his house any more!
He would have strongly opposed the Sword becoming KJVO. His successor was Curtis Hutson, who later became so KJVO that he promoted Gail Riplinger's ridiculous book, New Age Bible Versions (published long after Rice's death). In my biography of Rice, I discuss his strong opposition to Peter Ruckman, who he called "a nut" in his book I Am a Fundamentalist. The chapter title in his inimitable prose was, "Be a Fundamentalist, but Not a Nut."
The method of soul winning in the pamphlet by Hyles Let's Go Soul Winning is not that bad, IMO. It uses Scripture extensively, and doesn't appear to inform the prospect that he is saved just by saying a prayer. The problem was that if put soul winning above the glory of God, you rush through the Scriptures hoping to get a "convert" without the Holy Spirit. Edit: it's been many years since I read the pamphlet, since after Hyles' scandal I threw all his books away.
At Hyles-Anderson College, the human actions were glorified more than God's actions. I have a friend who went there and one day went 'soul winning" as the chaperone for some young ladies. After just a half hour on the street they got back on the bus bragging about the many souls they had "won" in such a short time by simply having them "pray the prayer.'
I knew a man who went there and was the "Soul Winner of the Year" based on his claimed conversion rate. That glorifies man, not God. At the Bible college where I teach we have no such reward, and strongly encourage biblical discipling and Spirit filled personal evangelism. Don't just win them, develop a relationship with that spiritual baby and lead them gently in their Christian walk.
Caveat: I know the pastor who took over that ministry after Schaap's infamous infidelity, and he is a good man, more biblical than his predecessors.
Gasp! You poor man.
Think John Calvin explianed this very well
John Calvin's view on salvation centers on justification by faith alone, but he also emphasized that true faith always produces good works. Calvin said that while faith is the sole means of justification, it is never truly alone; it is accompanied by good works as evidence of its reality and as a result of God's grace working through the believer.
Thought DTS was "4 point Baptists"
He would not have agreed to chapter about Kjv only version that would be used by the Holy Spirit to save lost sinners
Do you know how he thought about the 1881/1901 translations based upon the Critical Greek texts? Was it still mainly use kjv, but also at times use those if they had improved certain passages?He would have strongly opposed the Sword becoming KJVO. His successor was Curtis Hutson, who later became so KJVO that he promoted Gail Riplinger's ridiculous book, New Age Bible Versions (published long after Rice's death). In my biography of Rice, I discuss his strong opposition to Peter Ruckman, who he called "a nut" in his book I Am a Fundamentalist. The chapter title in his inimitable prose was, "Be a Fundamentalist, but Not a Nut."
Jesus made it pretty clear, that if one comes to him to be saved, can and must be prepared to pick up his own cross, and endure the world system and its crowd, not just say 'save me Jesus", and then just cruise down salvation Blvd until dead or raptured
Heaven help you if you were saved by the NkjvGasp! You poor man.
John MacArthur's Lordship Salvation, anyone?
John's big error: The command to "take up your cross" was made to disciples, not lost people (Matt. 6:24). And I don't teach anyone to just say "Save me Jesus" (nor did Hyles, to be fair to him). There must be a full understanding of the Gospel, and a trusting in Christ as Savior.
He used the ASV for study, but did not preach from it. As revealed by his magnum opus, Our God-Breathed Book the Bible, as clear as he was on inspiration, he did not have a high level understanding of textual criticism.