I care not what Council said what on any issue, its what the scriptures say!
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Judaism or Christianity?
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1689Dave
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It says what the scriptures and history says.
1689Dave
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As told by the Pharisees?
1689Dave
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All Israel are Some Jews and some Gentiles.
George Antonios
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That's not the full quote!
John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: BUT NOW is my kingdom not from hence.
The evident implication is that there is coming a time when it will be, which is in line with literally hundreds of prophecies, and of which time we read in Revelation, at the 7th trumpet:
Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of THIS WORLD are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
George Antonios
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which is therefore a heretical council condemned by the living words of the living God.
It would not seem correct to conceive that Jeremiah’s prophesy concerning Israel’s future “New Covenant’ could be the Christian’s present Covenant in Christ’s Blood because this Covenant that Jesus declared to the Jews (Luk 22:20; 1Co 11:25) is not between God and man (nowhere is this even alluded to), but between God and His Son (Heb 13:20). The Eze 31:31 prophesy is a future and eternal covenant between God and man--Israel.
1689Dave
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You have two choices. The world Jesus says his kingdom is not part of. And one to come which is eternal, not 1000 years. And has no sickness or sin like the Pharisaic millennium.
1689Dave
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Saying it is not of this world...........
No, as foretold by those such as Isaiah!
But He will bring it from heaven to earth!
George Antonios
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Correct; hence the expression the kingdom of heaven.
God still has a plan to deal with national Israel, its called the Time of Jacobs Folly, great tribulation period!
Isaiah especially spoke of a time when the King Messiah would rule over whole earth, when his Kingdom would be over all the Earth!
Particular
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God does not choose to save all people with blood ties to Israel. He has never had that plan.
Today, as always, some who are connected to Israel by blood will be graciously chosen unto redemption. Others will die in their rebellion. The promised one came through the line of Israel, according to covenantal promise. When the promised one made atonement for the elect, the new covenant was established, which tied the promised one with all the Father has given him, not with a nation found in the middle east. If those living in the geographic area of Israel wish to embrace the Kingdom, then they lose their heritage and gain redemption in Christ alone. God's eternal Kingdom is for the elect, which come from every nation, tribe and tongue.
John stated to us that the earth shall be the Kingdom of God and His Christ!
God will deal with national Israel, as per Romans, when the times of the Gentiles is fulfilled!
Particular
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We will not agree on this. Today we have the people enslaved to sin and the people of the promise. We are in a covenantal relationship with God, not in a dispensational relationship with God.
We agree on the right now, as just saying God has "something" still in mind for national Israel in end times!
1689Dave
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The Pharisee's misinterpreted Isaiah too. Study Jesus on the spiritual nature of the kingdom. And then you will see the symbolism in Isaiah. Did you know only 13 of over 90 OT prophecies came to pass as written? This means nobody understands OT prophecy unless they go to Jesus first.