Judge Not? You Must! Mixed Messages?

[freeatlast]

Hi Free at last. you stated he took the Lords Name in vain? do you mean he cussed? this is not what it is to take the Lords Name in vain. its much deeper than that. it may help to do a study from Jewish authors as to the meaning of the commandments. i know military chaplains who kinda have a potty mouth. cussing is a kinda superficial way, in my estimation to know if someone is saved or not. i would go deeper. are they attempting to divest themselves with Gods grace, of their sins. are they practicing the law of Love in James. do they love the Bretheren. ok so the person may have a problem with bad language. others have a problem with eating too much. are you going to go up to an overweight person, and tell them they are not saved, because they practice gluttony? goodness, could be a thyroid problem. we really dont know. and maybe someone you confront who is saved has a problem with pride, in which case, they would get a little defensive about your confrontation. you cant know the persons heart. you cannot know their standing with God. the only thing you can do, is to correct something that is not in keeping with Christian Character. there is not one verse in the scriptures that gives you the right, to determine their final destiny. on the contrary, it states to take heed, lest "you" fall. i have enough of my own misdeeds to answer for, before i start making assumptions about others, and where they may or may not be going when they die. :thumbsup:

Hello calvin. No I did not say that he took the Lord's name in vain. I said he used the Lord's name in vain. There is a difference. As to people who are overweight there is no command or guidelines against weight. As for military chaplains and their foul mouth. I can tell you that they are not the standard and those who do that are an open wound. They dishonor the Lord as well as their nation, and just because the military has given them god status does not make them of God. But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. Not everyone who says Lord, Lord, will enter into the kingdom of God. being straight with someone is not seen as a right, but a responsibility. By the way. I have never told anyone what their eternal destiny is. They may repent. I have told some that they are not saved and will continue if the need arises.

 

[freeatlast]

also my friend, its not a bad idea to make sure you are walking uprightly before correcting someone else. i can give a good example. early on in my walk, i had a lady who condemned me because i happen to like to wear my hair long. she stated i was not saved because i had long hair. ok. she had hers shorter than most mens, but i wont judge her on that, i dont care. however. some years went by. this "dear" sister, never did accept me. then something interesting happened. she was found to be in an adulterous relationship with a married man. when confronted, she chose excommunication. the little moral of the story is, whenever i meet someone who is very judgemental, and continually correcting others, i really have to wonder....hmmm? wonder what they are hiding. just some food for thought. :wavey:

Sounds like you are trying to justify yourself and rebellion. The bible does speak to men's hair as well as women's. The fact that you now want to gloat over her fall does not justify your rebellion. I thank you for the admonition, but I have the faith to what what i outlined in the previous post. Since it is clear you do not i strongly suggest that you continue to follow the path you are taking.

 

[calvin]

Sounds like you are trying to justify yourself and rebellion. The bible does speak to men's hair as well as women's. The fact that you now want to gloat over her fall does not justify your rebellion. I thank you for the admonition, but I have the faith to what what i outlined in the previous post. Since it is clear you do not i strongly suggest that you continue to follow the path you are taking.

lol! take a look at my picture my friend. the military does not allow long hair. and rebellion has nothing to do with it. also, that passage refers to headship. not hair length. and no, i do not gloat over her fall. you miss my point entirely. but i can try again. this time with you. since you are so judgemental, what sins are you attempting to cover up???does this help you understand any better? Peace :thumbsup:

 

[freeatlast]

lol! take a look at my picture my friend. the military does not allow long hair. and rebellion has nothing to do with it. also, that passage refers to headship. not hair length. and no, i do not gloat over her fall. you miss my point entirely. but i can try again. this time with you. since you are so judgemental, what sins are you attempting to cover up???does this help you understand any better? Peace :thumbsup:

What I do understand calvin is your liberal bent to justify your own sin by accusing another of sin who you have never met.You tell me that I am judging and you wage a judgement. satan has no new tricks as there is nothing new under the sun. The Corinthian passage is dealing with headship and the hair length is one way that shows if the person is in rebellion or submission.Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?

 

[calvin]

What I do understand calvin is your liberal bent to justify your own sin by accusing another of sin who you have never met.You tell me that I am judging and you wage a judgement. satan has no new tricks as there is nothing new under the sun. The Corinthian passage is dealing with headship and the hair length is one way that shows if the person is in rebellion or submission.Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?

liberal? thats a new one. actually im a conservative libertarian, which makes me more conservative than your average republican. are you then without sin? and i will be happy to let some of the Church fathers and Jesus himself know, when i get to heaven, that they might need to get a hair cut. i think you miss the deeper meaning of the passage, and what i am trying to make clear to you. instead you wish to engage in personal attacks. that is fine. i will not reciprocate. and i really dont care if you judge me. im not your servant. oh, and did you see my short hair in my picture. probably shorter than yours. may i suggest, high skin, medium fade? then you know you are following the command to the letter. Peace and prayers for you. and i hope you find some happiness in this life, and certainly the next. :1_grouphug:

 

[freeatlast]

liberal? thats a new one. actually im a conservative libertarian, which makes me more conservative than your average republican. are you then without sin? and i will be happy to let some of the Church fathers and Jesus himself know, when i get to heaven, that they might need to get a hair cut. i think you miss the deeper meaning of the passage, and what i am trying to make clear to you. instead you wish to engage in personal attacks. that is fine. i will not reciprocate. and i really dont care if you judge me. im not your servant. oh, and did you see my short hair in my picture. probably shorter than yours. may i suggest, high skin, medium fade? then you know you are following the command to the letter. Peace and prayers for you. and i hope you find some happiness in this life, and certainly the next. :1_grouphug:

You certainly must be an honor to the conservative libertarian following and I am sure that those in your ranks are extremely proud of you and your ability to exceed a party so righteous as the republican party. I am also sure that the Lord Himself is waiting with great expectation to hear from you.
Thank you for the very kind words and wishes. Your great love is so evident. Your servant in Christ Jesus.

 

[calvin]

You certainly must be an honor to the conservative libertarian following and I am sure that those in your ranks are extremely proud of you and your ability to exceed a party so righteous as the republican party. I am also sure that the Lord Himself is waiting with great expectation to hear from you.
Thank you for the very kind words and wishes.

politics aside, i really could care less if any human is proud of me. with the exception of my Mother of course, and the Lord Jesus Christ. and yes, he has already heard from me. so has my Mother. and you are very welcome. Peace and prayers for you and yours. :type:

 

[HankD]

And when we do judge it is to be as a doctor, healer and restorer not as judge jury and jailor.

James 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

HankD​

 

[freeatlast]

politics aside, i really could care less if any human is proud of me. with the exception of my Mother of course, and the Lord Jesus Christ. and yes, he has already heard from me. so has my Mother. and you are very welcome. Peace and prayers for you and yours. :type:

I know that they are all overwhelmed that you would grace them with yourself and acknowledgement. Your blessings are a great comfort and I am sure that they are sent with a heart simply full of love and grace.

 

[HankD]

Hi calvin, I see that you new to the BB and are deployed in Iraq.

As a fellow veteran of the Vietnam Era (stateside) I salute you.

Welcome to the Baptist Board. May God keep and protect you.

HankD

 

[calvin]

I know that they are all overwhelmed that you would grace them with yourself and acknowledgement. Your blessings are a great comfort and I am sure that they are sent with a heart simply full of love and grace.

yes, i would not joke about something like that. i dont know your situation, i dont know weather you are healthy or sick. out and about or a shut in. i have no idea what burdens you may bear. i can only pray for Gods grace to truly shine on you, and give you peace. :1_grouphug:

 

[calvin]

Hi calvin, I see that you new to the BB and are deployed in Iraq.

As a fellow veteran of the Vietnam Era (stateside) I salute you.

Welcome to the Baptist Board. May God keep and protect you.

HankD

and i salute you to my brother. your war was much harder. thank you for your service. being older, i have many friends who are viet nam vets. and i really look up to you guys. i wish they would let yall join us. i know for a fact that the soldiers of your era, are tougher than what we have today. barring the marines of course. they are still an agressive wall of fire. i love those guys. more technologically minded and politically correct now days. it would be good to go back to old school tactics, like you guys used. Peace and prayers my brother. Hoooah! :thumbsup:

 

[freeatlast]

yes, i would not joke about something like that. i dont know your situation, i dont know weather you are healthy or sick. out and about or a shut in. i have no idea what burdens you may bear. i can only pray for Gods grace to truly shine on you, and give you peace. :1_grouphug:

Neither would I joke about such as such is no joke. Thank you for your prayers of great kindness and grace.

 

[annsni]

And when we do judge it is to be as a doctor, healer and restorer not as judge jury and jailor.

James 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

HankD​

Amen. My pastor says that when it's easy to correct and rebuke (which is what we must do if we judge), then we are in the wrong. It's when it hurts us to do so that we know that we are going at this with the right heart.

 

[freeatlast]

Amen. My pastor says that when it's easy to correct and rebuke (which is what we must do if we judge), then we are in the wrong. It's when it hurts us to do so that we know that we are going at this with the right heart.

I think your pastor is correct. :thumbsup:

 

[nodak]

I believe our pastor did well Sunday.

We were a mixed group, many openly unsaved and living in and with all kinds of sins.

He took us through the Bible teachings concerning what is sin, gave us the teachings on what the wages of sin are, gave us the remedy, and urged us to judge ourselves with the aid of the Holy Spirit.

Much better than standing up and saying "Mary is guilty of this and Tom of that and surely Susie cannot be saved."

Judge actions? Of course.

Judge people? Not on your life.