Judge Roy Moore

[Mike McK]

I orginally said that I disagreed with Judge Moore but now, the more and more I find out what's really going on here, I find that I'm supporting him more and more.

I don't believe that the commandments should go anywhere.

 

[bb_baptist]

Interesting poll result

 

[Jailminister]

Well, you 44% have had your way. The 10 commandments monument has been removed. What do you think will be the next thing on the agenda of the humanist. Will it be removing "in God we Trust" or "under God" out of the pledge. The humanist want to remove EVERY symbol of God out of our society. So which one of those things do you 44% want done next?

 

[Jeffrey H]

I wish the monument could stay. However, he is obliged to follow the court order and have it removed. If he refuses, then why should anyone follow any of his court orders?

Judge Moore can appeal the ruling. I know he is familiar with Romans 13 and the role of government.

 

[Gunther]

Originally posted by Jailminister:
Well, you 44% have had your way. The 10 commandments monument has been removed. What do you think will be the next thing on the agenda of the humanist. Will it be removing "in God we Trust" or "under God" out of the pledge. The humanist want to remove EVERY symbol of God out of our society. So which one of those things do you 44% want done next?

Frankly, I couldn't care less. For lost people to say "under God" in the pledge is just as offesive as anything else.

Didn't Jesus give a scathing lecture to those who honor with their mouths but their hearts were far from him?

 

[Gunther]

Originally posted by Jeffrey H:
I know he is familiar with Romans 13 and the role of government.

Protect the innocent, punish the guilty.

 

[Jailminister]

Gunther said:

Frankly, I couldn't care less. For lost people to say "under God" in the pledge is just as offesive as anything else.

So that means you vote to have "under God" taken out next.

Psalms 94:16 Who will rise up for me against the evildoers? [or] who will stand up for me against the workers of iniquity?

 

[Gunther]

Originally posted by Jailminister:
So that means you vote to have "under God" taken out next.

Psalms 94:16 Who will rise up for me against the evildoers? [or] who will stand up for me against the workers of iniquity?

You know, discussion is so much better when you respond to what the other person actually said and not what you wanted them to say.

Here, let me post it again:

Frankly, I couldn't care less.
Frankly, I couldn't care less.
Frankly, I couldn't care less.
Frankly, I couldn't care less.
Frankly, I couldn't care less.

Don't you get it? Politics do not determine my role on this earth, during this time.

I am a Christian, I am a pilgrim. This world is not my home. My focus is not the here and now.

 

[Gunther]

Btw Jailminister, you have once again demonstrated that you cannot respond to what I did say.

A person who gives lip service to God is NOT UNDER HIS FAVOR.

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by markusw:
Well, you 44% have had your way. The 10 commandments monument has been removed.

Good. That means the Government has just given me back my freedom to worship without government influence.

What do you think will be the next thing on the agenda of the humanist. Will it be removing "in God we Trust" or "under God" out of the pledge.

When I last checked, "in God we Trust" isn't in the pledge, it's on our money. But to the point, the phrase "under God" in the pledge has existed for only the last 50 years. Additionally, the Pledge has been modified many times in its history. While it's not unconstitutional for the phrase to exist (since it doesn't respect the establishment of religion), I don't depend on its existence to freely practice my religion.

As for "In God We Trust" on our money, I said in another post that I have a dollar bill from the early 50's. It doesn't have the phrase on it anywhere. It, too, is a recent addition.

The humanist want to remove EVERY symbol of God out of our society. So which one of those things do you 44% want done next?

If adhering to the Baptist Distinctive of Separation of Church and State makes me a humanist, then I'd rather be a called humanist instead of being forced to compromise my Baptist faith.

 

[Jailminister]

Gunther said

I am a Christian, I am a pilgrim. This world is not my home. My focus is not the here and now.


Btw Jailminister, you have once again demonstrated that you cannot respond to what I did say.

A person who gives lip service to God is NOT UNDER HIS FAVOR.

Well Gunther I have been called a Christian by some. I am saved for sure. I am a Pilgrim ,also, just a passing thru. Due to my salvation and the fact that God has placed me here in this day and time, I am focussed on the here and now. My future has already been settled, eternally. I am to stand up for My Lord as a witness to a lost and dying world. Yes I am concerned about the here and now.

I have tried to respond to your questions. I guess you just don't get the answers you want.
It is strange that you said "A person who gives lip service to God is NOT UNDER HIS FAVOR". That is what it appears you are doing. My talk and my walk go together. How about you? It appears that all you want to do is talk, but no standing. If I misjudge you, please forgive me, but if you are not concerned about the here and now, you might as well just stay at home.

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by Jeffrey H:
I wish the monument could stay.

It would have stayed had it not been erected for a religious purpose. Personally, I'd be favor a display with the existing display (removing the text below the commandments), with a statue of moses putting his hand on it. Then I would add a statue of Hamurabi with his code as well. Then I would add the King of England signing the Magna Carta. Such a display would show us how important the law has been to people in history.

 

[Gunther]

Jailminister, standing up for the 10 commandments is not the same thing as standing up for God. If you think it is, and that brings you comfort at night, then by all means, do so.

My focus is on what is actually eternal.

 

[Scott J]

Originally posted by Gunther:
...standing up for the 10 commandments is not the same thing as standing up for God.

I agree. But it is the same as standing up for the 1st Amendment, the US Constitution as a whole, and religious liberty.

 

[Scott J]

Originally posted by Johnv:
It would have stayed had it not been erected for a religious purpose.

If a Federal or state receptionists had the Ten Commandments or some other religious symbol displayed at their workstation, would it be un-Constitutional? Why or why not?

 

[mark]

I was discussing this with my best friend who is a representative in the Alabama legislature. He pointed out two things I haven't discussed a lot. In Alabama, the Justices' oath includes a promise to "honor God". I know that is not the case in Iowa, but apparently it is in Alabama. Also the Constitution says that Congress shall make no law regarding the establishment of a religion, but it doesn't say anything about a state court (I think that is stretching it a bit), of course is a statute honoring the most influential set of laws in the history of the world establishing a religion? That would be stretching it the other way.
I am a government teacher and I always start my class, the first day, asking what is the purpose of government? I believe the answer is two fold: 1) To encourage and praise that which is good and 2) To discourage and ppunich that which is bad. Does removing the monument fit into those catagories?

 

[Jailminister]

Gunther said

Jailminister, standing up for the 10 commandments is not the same thing as standing up for God. If you think it is, and that brings you comfort at night, then by all means, do so.

My focus is on what is actually eternal.

Mine is Both now and eternally. You are incorrect and if you can't understand that, then just go back to sleep. It is not the monument, it is the intent of those who want to get rid of it.

 

[Gunther]

Getting rid of the monument is not getting rid of God either.

Stop with the borderline idolatry.

 

[Jailminister]

never said it was. WAKE UP!!!!!!

 

[rlvaughn]

Originally posted by Johnv:
Personally, I'd be favor a display with the existing display (removing the text below the commandments), with a statue of moses putting his hand on it. Then I would add a statue of Hamurabi with his code as well. Then I would add the King of England signing the Magna Carta.

But might it not make those who do not believe in the Babylonian gods of Hammurabi believe they could not receive a fair trial? Or perhaps those who have rejected the authority of the King of England would fear they could not be treated fairly.