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Judge rules that the U.S. Pledge of Alligiance is Unconsitutional
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Are you going to care less when the 9th Circut COurt of Appeals rules that it is not Constiutional for us to read our Bibles? I wouldn't be shocked if the 9th Circut COurt ruled that way.
Faithgirl
Terry_Herrington
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Are you going to care less when the 9th Circut COurt of Appeals rules that it is not Constiutional for us to read our Bibles? I wouldn't be shocked if the 9th Circut COurt ruled that way.
Faithgirl </font>[/QUOTE]Ignorant assumption. You know that no court is going to rule that you cannot read your Bible.
That is beside the point. The Pledge Of Allegence has been said by countless people since under God was introduced in 1955. It has not damaged them. Saying under God will not damage anyone else for that matter.
Are you going to care less when the 9th Circut COurt of Appeals rules that it is not Constiutional for us to read our Bibles? I wouldn't be shocked if the 9th Circut COurt ruled that way.
Faithgirl </font>[/QUOTE]Ignorant assumption. You know that no court is going to rule that you cannot read your Bible. </font>[/QUOTE]Terry, with the way this country is headed, nothing would shock me. Fifty years ago, it would have been outragous to think that Gays would have civil unions. Look at what is happening in Mass.
NaasPreacher (C4K)
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That is beside the point. The Pledge Of Allegence has been said by countless people since under God was introduced in 1955. It has not damaged them. Saying under God will not damage anyone else for that matter. </font>[/QUOTE]True, but how is saying "under God" going to help those who don't believe it?
Growing up in school we said the pledge every morning and from my perspective I don’t think anyone really realized what we were saying anyway. Saying the pledge was something we robotically said every day. Personally I was more worried about my algebra exam later in the day or trying to impress that girl in my 5th period class than what was reciting.
The problem is with the adults.
The problem is with the adults.
Are you going to care less when the 9th Circut COurt of Appeals rules that it is not Constiutional for us to read our Bibles? I wouldn't be shocked if the 9th Circut COurt ruled that way.
Faithgirl </font>[/QUOTE]I honestly don't see how that could happen with our Constitution.
But, at the risk of sounding like I have a martyr complex. . . if they want to take my Bible, then they can just throw me in jail. My faith is not in human law or courts; it is in God.
If they tried to take my Bible, would I oppose them? Of course. But this? It is seriously not something I care to fight.
I submit to everyone the following:
1) God is not pleased by vain repetition.
2) Saying "under God" in the pledge has almost no true value with respect to the Almighty. Those who are believers already honor God, and saying "under God" won't make believers out of the others.
3) God is not so limited as to need something like the pledge of allegiance to accomplish his will. God doesn't require a sympathetic government; in fact, God worked under a hostile government from the git-go. Christianity still grew.
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Saying "under God" doesn't make one iota of a difference in the long run. If anyone is worried about national judgment, note that God isn't typically concerned without outward appearance (i.e. the pledge), he's concerned about the heart. If there is national judgment coming, then the only way for America to avert it is to repent and to trust in God. The pledge will not cause this, nor will the lack of "under God" hinder it.
Do you look over as many message boards as your time allows for issues you "couldn't care less" about in order to post that? If not, why are you posting it here? </font>[/QUOTE]I couldn't care less that the pledge is being struck down. It's not that I'm not interested in hearing about it. It just doesn't bother me that they struck down "under God" in the pledge.
According to atheistic activists, taking the phrase “under God” out of the pledge makes it more inclusive for the wide ranging beliefs of the people in our country.
Atheists and polytheists (Hindus) could recite the pledge without a problem.
HOWEVER, what are they going to do with the constitution? Does it need revising now?
The basis for our separation from England is that GOD gave us certain inalienable rights!
If we disavow our Creator we also disavow the reason this republic was formed.
Rob
Atheists and polytheists (Hindus) could recite the pledge without a problem.
HOWEVER, what are they going to do with the constitution? Does it need revising now?
The basis for our separation from England is that GOD gave us certain inalienable rights!
If we disavow our Creator we also disavow the reason this republic was formed.
Rob
NaasPreacher (C4K)
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The Constitution needs no revision, it never mentions God.
The inclusion of "Under God" in the pledge suggests an exclusivity that just is not there, ALL nations are under God, every single one.
The inclusion of "Under God" in the pledge suggests an exclusivity that just is not there, ALL nations are under God, every single one.
T
TexasSky
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I was thinking about this a lot the other day.
When the words "under God" were added, this country was more respectful of God. If you were a good person, you attended church. You taught the 10 commandments in schools and in private homes, and it was a given that they were the basis for deciding what was right and what was wrong.
It wasn't perfect. There were a lot of hypocrites, and a lot of pretend-Christians, but all in all, speaking up for Christ was something the average American expected other Americans to do.
Now - we don't respect Him.
So, while we ARE under Him, we, as a nation, don't respect Him. So maybe those words in the pledge, if they refer to the whole nation, are a lie.
When the words "under God" were added, this country was more respectful of God. If you were a good person, you attended church. You taught the 10 commandments in schools and in private homes, and it was a given that they were the basis for deciding what was right and what was wrong.
It wasn't perfect. There were a lot of hypocrites, and a lot of pretend-Christians, but all in all, speaking up for Christ was something the average American expected other Americans to do.
Now - we don't respect Him.
So, while we ARE under Him, we, as a nation, don't respect Him. So maybe those words in the pledge, if they refer to the whole nation, are a lie.
fromtheright
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Texas Sky,
If it's a lie, then we need "under God" in the pledge to remind ourselves.
If it's a lie, then we need "under God" in the pledge to remind ourselves.
I would rather the government (and its entities) be completely secular than to masquerade as though it cares about God and truly honoring him.
Whether God is supposedly "honored" in public doesn't really matter all that much. I would rather see a nation that ignored God altogether than a nation that pretended to honor him with its words while denying him with its actions. IMO, the latter is far more dangerous than the former, and it is a more serious insult to God.
Whether or not the US pays lip service to God, the fact of the matter remains that a significant portion of this nation is not righteous in God's eyes.
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Romans 2
9What shall we conclude then? Are we any better? Not at all! We have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under sin. 10As it is written:
"There is no one righteous, not even one;
11there is no one who understands,
no one who seeks God.
12All have turned away,
they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good,
not even one."[c]
13"Their throats are open graves;
their tongues practice deceit."
"The poison of vipers is on their lips."
14"Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness."
15"Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16ruin and misery mark their ways,
17and the way of peace they do not know."[g]
18"There is no fear of God before their eyes."
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22This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.
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Going to church and honoring God in public doesn't make any difference. One is not saved by going to church (I know everyone here would agree). In the eyes of God, if you do not believe, you are condemned already (John 3:18).
I submit that while the culture of America seemed to be more "Christian" in the past, there isn't a whole lot of difference with respect to honoring God. People used to fake it, and now they just don't care. I personally respect an honest rejection more than a false acceptance.
Whether God is supposedly "honored" in public doesn't really matter all that much. I would rather see a nation that ignored God altogether than a nation that pretended to honor him with its words while denying him with its actions. IMO, the latter is far more dangerous than the former, and it is a more serious insult to God.
Whether or not the US pays lip service to God, the fact of the matter remains that a significant portion of this nation is not righteous in God's eyes.
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Romans 2
9What shall we conclude then? Are we any better? Not at all! We have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under sin. 10As it is written:
"There is no one righteous, not even one;
11there is no one who understands,
no one who seeks God.
12All have turned away,
they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good,
not even one."[c]
13"Their throats are open graves;
their tongues practice deceit."
"The poison of vipers is on their lips."
14"Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness."
15"Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16ruin and misery mark their ways,
17and the way of peace they do not know."[g]
18"There is no fear of God before their eyes."
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22This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.
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Going to church and honoring God in public doesn't make any difference. One is not saved by going to church (I know everyone here would agree). In the eyes of God, if you do not believe, you are condemned already (John 3:18).
I submit that while the culture of America seemed to be more "Christian" in the past, there isn't a whole lot of difference with respect to honoring God. People used to fake it, and now they just don't care. I personally respect an honest rejection more than a false acceptance.
RockRambler
New Member
I'll continue to do as I have done before...when at a meeting that starts with the Pledge of Allegiance, I say the Apostle's Creed instead.
buckster75
Member
this may have already been brought up:
wonder if this athiest used US currency to pay his lawyer
wonder if this athiest used US currency to pay his lawyer
Grimlock Prime
New Member
Another victory for Athiests and liberals against the Bible. Celeration abound as children no longer must be faced with the brutal evil that is the homophobic God of Christiandom. That was sarcasm for the mindless among you.
But now that we've stripped even the tiniest mention of God from their empty consumer-driven lives, the next great fight for left-wing civil liberties can begin: NAMBLA. Five years tops. at the rate this nation's left is going, that's how long it'll be before pedos will legally be able to seduce and molest your children. Five years before your precious children can be legally raped at school by teacher. And don't any of you DARE tell me it cannot happen when a blind duck with no grasp of human culture can see how far we have fallen in just the last fifty years.
The pervert culture already market sex to your children. Why do you think that is? Because of the money? Even a cow has more sense to protect it's young than mankind does. Because evil knows that it has won when good people will stand around and say they don't care to every fight until they don't care about ANY FIGHTS.
How so many can go thru life so blind is a mystery. No fight for what is right is "too small". No fight for what is right is "not important". Every step the enemy of the Lord makes into our society, more souls are lost. Or is THAT no longer important either?
But now that we've stripped even the tiniest mention of God from their empty consumer-driven lives, the next great fight for left-wing civil liberties can begin: NAMBLA. Five years tops. at the rate this nation's left is going, that's how long it'll be before pedos will legally be able to seduce and molest your children. Five years before your precious children can be legally raped at school by teacher. And don't any of you DARE tell me it cannot happen when a blind duck with no grasp of human culture can see how far we have fallen in just the last fifty years.
The pervert culture already market sex to your children. Why do you think that is? Because of the money? Even a cow has more sense to protect it's young than mankind does. Because evil knows that it has won when good people will stand around and say they don't care to every fight until they don't care about ANY FIGHTS.
How so many can go thru life so blind is a mystery. No fight for what is right is "too small". No fight for what is right is "not important". Every step the enemy of the Lord makes into our society, more souls are lost. Or is THAT no longer important either?
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