just curious

[BrianT]

Originally posted by Farmer's Wife:
Brian, I guess I'm not getting what you're saying (and maybe never will) because you say all these you listed are THE WORD OF GOD but yet, you say they contain error.

Reread the quote I provided from the KJV translators. Reread it again and again until you understand it.

If you will kindly re-read my post about the leadership of the Holy Spirit, I was not referring to your spiritual condition. When someone tells you that they believe the KJBible is the Word of God without error you always ask..."How do you know?"...to which many have replied because of the Holy Spirit's leadership and you always blow off that answer and demand some sort of written "knowledge" as if the Holy Spirit's leadership for them isn't good enough.

But does not your statement imply that KJV-only supporters are being led by the Holy Spirit, while those who disagree with KJV-onlyism are dismissing the Holy Spirit? Instead we rely on the Holy Spirit PLUS evidence, not brushing of the facts.

But speaking of the Holy Spirit, here's a thought to consider: Is the "word of God" just ink on paper, or is the "word of God" the message one gets by reading the ink PLUS having the guidance of the Holy Spirit? I can read the NIV with the Holy Spirit's guidance, and have "the word of God". My Mormon friend can read exclusively the KJV, without the Holy Spirit's guidance, and not have "the word of God". Is this not true? I think it absolutely is.

 

[BrianT]

Originally posted by bro. coley:
BRIAN T lets suppose you are right and all of these versions are the word of God. we KJonlys are safe . but if your wrong there will be much to answer for because of misleading others by perverting the book .

Think about what you just said. I could show you the problems in your logic, but you'll appreciate it better if you figure it out yourself.

we shurely agree that these versions all contradict one another. dont we?

No, we do not.

 

[KEVO]

Justified,You hit the nail on the head when you said "you seem to have problems with authority in your own life anyway".That's the case with a lot of these bible correctors on bb.
Granny,hang in there,your are doing fine!
Farmer's wife,you are exactly right. They want to destroy THE BOOK,so we have to look to them as our final authoriy.You know that's what really gets under their skin.We don't need 20 years of education to know where God's Word is.
Pastor Larry,when do you have time to study and pray? You stay on the computer all the time
Bro.Coley,Why don't you want people to know that you are Dr.Coley

 

[Kiffin]

Bro. Coley stated,

BRIAN T lets suppose you are right and all of these versions are the word of God. we KJonlys are safe.

Actually, you are not since you have pigeonholed the entire Word of God into a Episcopalian translation.

KEVO stated,

That's the case with a lot of these bible correctors on bb.

Could it be the KJV Only's are the Bible Correctors? hmmmmmm

They want to destroy THE BOOK,so we have to look to them as our final authoriy.You know that's what really gets under their skin.We don't need 20 years of education to know where God's Word is.

Oh, Yes, The Alexandrian Cult is out to destroy the KJV! Oh, Please...Most of us on here love the KJV and I doubt very few of us have 20 years education. I think it has been asked over and over again why the KJV only is the Word of God and my Ruckmanite/Riplinger friends cannot answer. Most of us own here are very Conservative and most hold to inerrancy of the scripture just not inerrancy for any translation since translations are the work of man and subject to error. KJV only's however seem to think the Church of England translators had a Charismatic/Pentecostal experiance when translating and who are we to question the Church of England's authority.

 

[bro. coley]

KEVO I may have to live up to it. its like a hireling calling himself a pastor!!!

 

[bro. coley]

kiffin are you saying that there is a margin of error between Gods giving the word and man writing ? if so iwonder how much margin of error there was when God spoke to balaam through the ass?

 

[BrianT]

Originally posted by KEVO:
They want to destroy THE BOOK,

Outright lie. Grow up.

so we have to look to them as our final authoriy.

Another lie. Please, anyone reading this, I beg you: do not consider me as you final authority.

I know you all want to, but please try to control yourselves.

You know that's what really gets under their skin.We don't need 20 years of education to know where God's Word is.

Yet another lie. It is not true we think that, nor would it get under my skin if it we thought it was and you disagreed.

You would do KJV-onlyism a great benefit if you would simply stop talking.

 

[Kiffin]

Bro. Coley asked,

kiffin are you saying that there is a margin of error between Gods giving the word and man writing ?

Not for the Biblical writers BUT the KJV translators are not Biblical writers but translators. In order for your theory to be true then the KJV translators translated by a Charismatic experience by Divine Revelation.I assume also that you must believe the Latin Vulgate, Tyndale, Wycliffe, and Geneva Bible were also without error? Maybe the RSV, NIV, NKJV translators were without error?

if so iwonder how much margin of error there was when God spoke to balaam through the ass?

God spoke directly through Balaam's ass BUT what evidence can you produce that God through a extra Biblical Revelation spoke to the KJV translators? and why not the NASB or ESV translators? Are Bible translators Prophets or Apostles in your opinions?

 

[longshot]

Originally posted by KEVO:

Farmer's wife,you are exactly right. They want to destroy THE BOOK,so we have to look to them as our final authoriy.You know that's what really gets under their skin.We don't need 20 years of education to know where God's Word is.

Would you quit trying to make this into a debate between those who have an educational background in this subject and those who dont. I dont have a background in it, wouldn't know greek from graffiti. But I do know what the word of God is. It is the KJV, NKJV, NASB, ESV, and many more of the translations in between, including the NIV, the Bible my 12 yr old son was reading Saturday night--just before he got baptised on Sunday. It was NOT a perversion, it IS the word of God! And these people on here are NOT trying to destroy the Word of God. I have learned much on this board and from these people, and I thank them for their patience to one who might not posses the knowledge they freely give. Thanks

 

[Justified]

Longshot,

Yes, the other versions do contain the word of God, but they do also contain some major/minor doctrinal/dogma errors and/or contain information and/or lackof, that can lead someone into believing major/minor doctrinal/dogma errors.

Can someone read them and get saved? Yes!

Can someone read them and learn about God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit? YES!

Can someone read them and learn about living a separated life for the Lord? YES!

Can someone read them and learn about the history of God and His Attributes? YES!

Can someone read them and learn about God's Righteousness, Love, Santification, etc...? YES!

So now you say, What's the big deal? Would you want to build your home on a foundation that was cracked or sub-standard? In the beginning your home would stand just fine. But through the years these flaws start to take their toll on the foundation that is holding your home up. Thus, the home now starts to come down.

Same with our families!

Study to show thyself approved...

[ July 23, 2002, 10:46 AM: Message edited by: Justified ]

 

[longshot]

Originally posted by Justified:
Longshot,

Yes, the other versions do contain the word of God, but they do also contain some major doctrinal errors and/or contain information and/or lackof, that can lead someone into believing major doctrinal errors.
...

Hello Justified,
Could you please specify the major doctrinal errors, (or minor ones for that matter)? I'm serious because I was under the impression that both sides of the debate pretty much agreed there were no differences so great in the translations between the KJV and MV's as to effect doctrine. (If you are referring to John 5;4 and the like I have already reviewed those from previous threads and dont see how it applies.) Thanks.

 

[KEVO]

Longshot,when did your son get saved? The niv leaves out 17 verses that are in the KJV.I call that a major difference.The niv does not contain the word "sodomite".Wonder why? Because someone on the board of correctors was a lesbian. I sure hope your son was saved before he got baptised.
Bro. Kevin

 

[GrannyGumbo]

I do preach on radio station WYEA AM 1290 on Sunday mornings[KJVTIM]

"How wonderful! My son-in-law(husband to Farmer's Wife), occasionally preaches on short-wave WHRI for the "Black Brigade Broadcast".

Last week he did a comparison between the KingJames and the one used by many SBC's in their literature(NASV). YIKES!!! I also went on a little search recently & discovered that Hell is missing!!! Yep~that good ol'KJBible truth of the doctrine of eternal hell is gone in many so-called MVs. In the NIV, it is clearly changed to a place of eternal DEATH, instead of a place of everlasting TORMENT & the word itself does not even appear in the NIV O.T.

There's a little booklet I discovered (& I ain't much for reading other stuff other than my Bible), but I found it to be rather informative: "MODERN BIBLES-the Dark Secret" by Pastor Jack A.Moorman.

 

[rsr]

I've stayed out of this, for obvious reasons. I only post now to plead with the non-KJVonly folks to let it be. The same old tired rumors, half-truths and distortions are being dragged out time after time after time, thread after thread. They will not change their minds because they cannot change their minds; contradicting them only makes them post more.

This is a tempest in a teapost; only a tiny slice of Christendom even knows this controversy exists. Read your NIV and praise God -- and let the naysayers leave us alone.

 

[KEVO]

Longshot,get your niv and read 1Tim3:16.The KJV says"GOD WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH". The niv says "HE APPEARED IN A BODY".The niv just destroyed the deity of Christ.Ibelieve that is major.In COL.1:14 the niv removes "through his blood". I believe that is major,since I was saved by his blood.They are many many more major changes.
Bro. Kevin

 

[KEVO]

rsr,yea go ahead and read it,all except the 17 verses the niv leaves out.

 

[longshot]

Originally posted by KEVO:
Longshot,when did your son get saved? The niv leaves out 17 verses that are in the KJV.I call that a major difference.The niv does not contain the word "sodomite".Wonder why? Because someone on the board of correctors was a lesbian. I sure hope your son was saved before he got baptised.
Bro. Kevin

Yes Kevo, my son was already convicted and saved. Baptism in our church is a profession of faith. (thats a Baptist thing isnt it?)

 

[rsr]

See?

 

[longshot]

Originally posted by KEVO:
rsr,yea go ahead and read it,all except the 17 verses the niv leaves out.

I'm not new here KEVO and niether are you. Nothing can be acomplished by rehashing that. I was looking for something different. I'll just respect your belief and be on my way. Look forward to talking to you again. Thanks,
Rob

 

[KEVO]

Longshot,I am glad to know your son was saved.I just worry sometimes when I hear people say so and so got baptized. I know of people who have been babtized but have never been saved.I hope you didn't think I was just being smart when I ask the question.Talk to you later.
Bro.Kevin