Just HOW will Christ return?

[Ron Arndt]

I was watching Pastor John Hagee preaching on the return of Christ yesterday. His text was Revelation chapter 19.

Anyway, he said our Lord will return on a white horse and out of his mouth shall come a sword and all the Christians following him in white robes.

But I believe Bro Hagee is wrong. Why? Because he is trying to teach something LITERALLY from a highly symbolic book. We know the beasts, dragon, harlot, trumpets and such in Revelation are SYMBOLS that portray a reality of something else. So why make Jesus returning on a white horse with a sword coming out of his mouth a literal thing?

One must realize that outside our planet is a dark and deep outer space with no oxygen and if any human or horse were out there they would die instantly. So I just don't believe Christ will return on a literal horse millions of light years from the kingdom of heaven through outer space on a white horse. Nor do I believe a sword will be hanging out of his mouth either. What do you folks say about all this teaching? I'm all ears.

 

[Johnv]

We have no idea how Christ will return. All we can do is speculate. John Hagee is no more or less equipped to speculate than anyone else. I respect that man, but he spends way too much time preoccupied with the topic of the second coming. I wish he'd spend more time on the first coming.

I myself don't care about how Jesus will come again, or when. If he never comes, fine. If he comes tomorrow, fine. I'm ready to meet him, regardless of whether it's through him coming or me going.

 

[Michaelt]

I don't watch Hagee, nor many other televangelists, so I'm not backing up nor attacking his statement...but I do have a question about this.

One must realize that outside our planet is a dark and deep outer space with no oxygen and if any human or horse were out there they would die instantly. So I just don't believe Christ will return on a literal horse millions of light years from the kingdom of heaven through outer space on a white horse.

Would you believe that as the scripture teaches that all things are possible with God.? And if all things are possible with God, then would you agree or disagree that Christs' return to earth could be via a white horse from the heavens? Since God is outside the realm of what is possible and impossible, would He not be able to return to earth in any way or manner He chose?

[ November 18, 2005, 12:53 PM: Message edited by: Woodymdt ]

 

[robycop3]

Jesus said every eye will see Him, & that's NOT symbolic. His sword will be His WORD. Just as when He was first here, He speaks and it happens. When He returns, it will be in His FULL power and glory; He left as a Lamb, even calling Himself a lamb in Revelation, but He will return as a LION, as King of kings, coming to RULE.

 

[TexasSky]

Johnv - SURELY you did not mean "If he never comes, fine."

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by TexasSky:
Johnv - SURELY you did not mean "If he never comes, fine."

Perhaps I should expound on that statement. What I mean by that is that if all of my traditional presumptions of the second coming were wrong, and Jesus' second coming is not one where he literally comes to earth as we know it, then I'm okay with that. Jesus is going to come in a manner in which the Father desires, at a time of the Father's choosing, not according to my own desires or expectations on the topic. I therefore have no expectations in regards to the second coming.

I hope that makes a bit more sense. I didn't mean to imply that I think Jesus may never come.

 

[prophecynut]

Originally posted by Ron Arndt:
I'm all ears.

Red Riding Hood: "My what big ears you have."

Big Bad Wolf: "The better to hear you with, my dear."

 

[canadyjd]

Acts 1:9-11

"And after He had said these things, He was lifted up while they were looking on, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. And as they were gazing intently into the sky while He was going, behold, two men in white clothing stood beside them. They also said, 'Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in just the same way as you have watched Him go into heaven.'"

peace to you

 

[Artimaeus]

Act 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.


'Nuff said.

 

[Eric Rolen]

It is not our concern on when or how HE will return BUT its our job to be ready when he returns.

Anybody can write a prophecy book on the 2d coming.

 

[pinoybaptist]

I don't know when Christ will return, just like everybody else here, but I do know that when He does return, there will be just one second coming. One whole. Not two phases, one secret, one public, one for His people only, the next phase for the unelect.

 

[prophecynut]

Ron Arndt
But I believe Bro Hagee is wrong.

I agree.

We know the beasts, dragon, harlot, trumpets and such in Revelation are SYMBOLS that portray a reality of something else.

Agree, beasts are usually people, dragon is Satan, harlot is the apostate religious system.

So why make Jesus returning on a white horse with a sword coming out of his mouth a {literal Jesus}?

Doesn't make sense to have horses coming from heaven let a lone the means by which Christ and his army reach earth.

It is the sign of the son of Man coming in power and great glory (Mt. 24:30). Another sign is the rainbow (Gen. 9:13).

 

[Keith M]

Originally posted by pinoybaptist:
I don't know when Christ will return, just like everybody else here, but I do know that when He does return, there will be just one second coming. One whole. Not two phases, one secret, one public, one for His people only, the next phase for the unelect.

On what do you base this erroneous assumption?

Scripture tells us that those who are alive will meet Him in the air when the rapture occurs. This is when "one shall be taken and the other left." But after the Great Tribulation He will come not to gather the elect but with the elect. At this time His feet will rest on the Mount of Olives and it will be split into two sections (see Zechariah 14). These are two separate events - one event is for the purpose of gathering the saints and the other event is for the purpose of establishing His millennial kingdom. This is based on scriptural teaching.

 

[Ron Arndt]

Hmmm, I think that white horse would get pretty tired traveling umpteen light years through outer space to the earth don't you? And I never heard of a horse traveling at light speed either? Warp one, number one, make it so.

 

[HankD]

Hey, it's happened before:

2 Kings 2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

HankD