My computer runs slow on this site for some reason and I am a fast typer but something is slowing my typing down and so it gets jumbled or leaves out letters unless I type one letter at time like I am now doing. Yes, it is spelled incorrectly.
Again, I did not say the word "systematic" is found in the scripture. I said the book of Romans is designed to provide as systematic presentation of the Biblical doctrine of salvation.
The only way you can win this debate is to twist, pervert, or misconstrue my words. Now who in the Bible is the author of that kind of dialogue and whose followers do that?
Bib the whole "SYTMATIC" thing was a joke, I know what you meant you spelled correctly right afterwards. You took a jab at my lack of knowledge. The joke is be consistent when you doing it.
"The only way you can win this debate is to twist, pervert, or misconstrue my words. Now who in the Bible is the author of that kind of dialogue and whose followers do that?"
Oh really?
"You are showing you don't know the Bible sufficiently well enough to speak about it."
So what?
Are you saying the bible alone is not sufficient? that your better understanding makes you proper authority?
Can I decide with the bible alone?...... thank you very much.
Jesus establishes the "system" and preaches the Gospel in its completeness.
In the Gospel(hint hint) according to Matthew Jesus says:
Matthew 7
24“Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock.
25“And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and
yet it did not fall, for it had been founded on the rock.
26“Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand.
27“The rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and it fell—and great was its fall.”
28When Jesus had finished these words, the crowds were amazed at His teaching;
29for He was teaching them as
one having authority, and not as their scribes.
You want the system to work on faith alone, that is completely unbiblical. Even if some fringe Christian were to argue that we are justified by what we say:
37“For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”
He has more solid scripture then you do.
When Paul says:
Romans 3
9What then? Are we better than they? Not at all; for we have already charged that both Jews and Greeks are all under sin;
He's not saying his Christian standpoint, but his Jewish standpoint that charges all under sin.
28For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.
29Or is God
the God of Jews only? Is He not
the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also,
Here Paul is saying we are not justified by the Jewish Law he is so distinct that even the next verse he declares that if the Christian faith was not apart from the works of the law it would only be God of the Jews.
We know who the Gentiles are! They don't do the works of the Law, cause if they did they'd be JEWS!
Romans 2
14For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves,
15in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them,
16on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus.
Hold on a second, Paul says according to my gospel did Paul just preach the gospel?
HE DID:
Romans 2
1Therefore you have no excuse, everyone of you who passes judgment, for in that which you judge another, you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things.
2And we know that the judgment of God rightly falls upon those who practice such things.
3But do you suppose this, O man, when you pass judgment on those who practice such things and do the same
yourself, that you will escape the judgment of God?
4Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?
5But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God,
6who WILL RENDER TO EACH PERSON ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS:
7to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life;
8but to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation.
9There will be tribulation and distress for every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek,
10but glory and honor and peace to everyone who does good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
11For there is no partiality with God.
NO EXCUSE. God has provided everyone the ability to avoid sin.
Oh the reason I sin is because God didn't get me a good kidney.
NO Bib, The reason you sin is it is YOUR FAULT.
What is going on here is an attempt to undermine the gospel with a license to sin. So like the Pharisees you can say yeah me and that guy over there are both sinners but I am a saved sinner because my status is chosen. I will get mercy for all the bad thing I will do. And when I sin well that's God's fault.
