Kanye just dropped the 'Republicans freed the slaves' bomb...

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Yes, a true Trump lover. Thank you for clarifying.

Wrong again.... I don’t like the guy but I don’t have to rehash all my disagreements with the guy. They are well known by this point. I do like that he just signed a bill getting the feds out of the school system and I’m liking his promise to clean up sanctuary cities but ...

 

[Calminian]

Again, that's not what I said - I don't think you can ever get rid of abortion altogether in this country now and it's not like slavery really - slavery was never mandated nationwide by SCOTUS like abortion was.

You act like there's not a God factor involved. Yes, I know you do, but you act as if He has no power. Slavery still exists today, BTW, but used to be prevalent all over the world and accepted. Now it is not. The glory goes to God. The same can happen with abortion. The same awareness can be brought about. But God's people must be faithful.

That's not to say they will always overcome, but bottom line, there is no excuse for every last Christian to vote pro-life. All things are possible, and we are commanded to do what is right.

 

[Calminian]

Wrong again.... I don’t like the guy but I don’t have to rehash all my disagreements with the guy. They are well known by this point. I do like that he just signed a bill getting the feds out of the school system and I’m liking his promise to clean up sanctuary cities but ...

I love it. Progress.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I love it. Progress.

Yea, now all he has to do is pay back all the tradesmen he stuffed, appologize to the women he demeaned, stand up to the abortionists and repent of his sins

 

[Calminian]

Yea, now all he has to do is pay back all the tradesmen he stuffed, appologize to the women he demeaned, stand up to the abortionists and repent of his sins

Soon as you apologize for all the fake news. <yawn>

 

[Baptist Believer]

You continue to LIE about my abortion position. I've stated it many times.

He does not let facts get in his way.

I agree.

Actually, it is because I have not noticed it or assumed it was a spelling error. I will call it out from now on.

At the same time, I really understand why ITL does it. When one gets lied about constantly, it is quite tempting to use clever comebacks to shame the liar.

 

[Baptist Believer]

He is not banned. His absence is of his own choice.

Thank you for the clarification.

 

[Baptist Believer]

This is MY "take" on some of your political ideology, could be wrong, this is just what I've observed:

you - slightly right-of-center, you claim conservatives call you a liberal, true test is do liberals call you a conservative? If so, you are a moderate

Your perceptions are correct. I am to the right of center, but I am, in a broad sense, a moderate. On certain issues (2nd Amendment, private property rights, fiscal responsibility, etc.) I am very strongly on the right wing. On other issues (1st Amendment, constitutional protection for minorities of all kinds, sensible immigration reform with guest worker program, etc...), I am historically centrist (also historically Baptist) in my viewpoints. I am also pro-life (not just anti-abortion) and strongly support a modest social safety net that allows children to thrive and become responsible and productive members of society -- a position that requires both private funds and commitment, but also government assistance and tax dollars. Of course that is presently out of favor with "conservatives."

My left wing friends (and enemies) claim I am a right-winger, and my right wing friends (and enemies) claim that I am left-wing or "liberal." I don't particularly like either label - nor even "moderate" - but prefer Christian or Baptist instead.

 

[Calminian]

...My left wing friends (and enemies) claim I am a right-winger.....

I highly doubt this. Left wingers love Christians that attack the President and his agenda. They specifically market you in hopes you'll not only abstain from voting but will try to get others to do the same. NeverTrumpers are put on a pedestal by leftists. Just look at McCain, Jeff Flake, Graham. They love what you're doing.

 

[Baptist Believer]

I highly doubt this.

"...It's no secret that a liar won't believe anyone else..."

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

He does not let facts get in his way.

Actually, it is because I have not noticed it or assumed it was a spelling error. I will call it out from now on. Calminian cutting the grass at the WH while trump stands around yelling he isn’t fast enough was hilarious

At the same time, I really understand why ITL does it. When one gets lied about constantly, it is quite tempting to use clever comebacks to shame the liar.

Yes... I hope he gets even more creative in the future

 

[FollowTheWay]

I don’t have to provide proof. The unemployment numbers speak for themselves.
BTW, if I had to choose between being alt right & democrat, it would be alt right. Some have painted the alt right to suit their needs, the real alt right is an internet entity. I would be happy to provide you with a description, but doubt you would read it, so I won’t be bothered.

The unemployment numbers aren't significantly better than under Obama. In fact the rate of employment growth has fallen by 12%. Wage growth is still low.

 

[Wingman68]

The unemployment numbers aren't significantly better than under Obama. In fact the rate of employment growth has fallen by 12%. Wage growth is still low.

It’s at the lowest rate for blacks than it’s been since they started tracking for blacks, 45 years. Don’t mean nuffin, right? Who talked about going into Chicago to make the streets safer, when Rahm does nothing? O? Nah, that was Trump.

 

[I Love An Atheist]

Your perceptions are correct. I am to the right of center, but I am, in a broad sense, a moderate. On certain issues (2nd Amendment, private property rights, fiscal responsibility, etc.) I am very strongly on the right wing. On other issues (1st Amendment, constitutional protection for minorities of all kinds, sensible immigration reform with guest worker program, etc...), I am historically centrist (also historically Baptist) in my viewpoints. I am also pro-life (not just anti-abortion) and strongly support a modest social safety net that allows children to thrive and become responsible and productive members of society -- a position that requires both private funds and commitment, but also government assistance and tax dollars. Of course that is presently out of favor with "conservatives."

My left wing friends (and enemies) claim I am a right-winger, and my right wing friends (and enemies) claim that I am left-wing or "liberal." I don't particularly like either label - nor even "moderate" - but prefer Christian or Baptist instead.

I'm very similar to you, although my mind is not made up on every issue. I used to strongly favor Democratic party stances on most issues. After becoming Christian, my ideas started changing, because my overall worldview changed to distrust of humanism. But my ideas are not all completely organized and put away. I am going through a process that is kind of like moving. Some things packed up to move. Other things thrown away or given away or sold on Craig's List. And some things remaining to be sorted.

When I worked for a while with a newspaper editor, she once told me that a good writer is free of an ideology; because when writing from an ideology, one is rearranging cliches, not thinking. She said she understood why most people were influenced by ideologies, especially because they are very busy.

I agree with this editor, and I try to take things issue by issue and point by point. I want to evaluate everything according to the specific facts that are available and then ask how a Christian ethos would lead me to judge those facts. I regard ideologies as secular religions, and I think being Christian means I don't have that vacuum that gives me the need to be a true believer in an ideology.

Something I've been thinking about for a while is that there is truth on both sides, otherwise propaganda would never work. Propaganda always contains truth combined with disinformation. The true parts give credibility to the disinformation. So when you argue too fiercely with one side all the time, you may be danger of arguing not only with what is false but also with what is true.

For example, although I'm highly skeptical now of New Age thought, I still recognize that lots of people find it appealing for the reason that they need something more than just a materialistic life. That motive in itself is not bad.

With Trump I like that he is unraveling the globalist agenda, and I think that is the true reason for the incredible fury toward him. I had very little respect for him about two years ago. Now I respect him more as time goes by, because he takes so much heat.

But it's very difficult to talk about Trump in a normal, reasonable way. I remember that although my father liked Reagan, he could still laugh at Saturday Night Live impressions of him. But that was a different era. It was not so vicious and ugly then.

The media attacks on Trump are so over-the-top and so relentless that I think his supporters become used to being in extreme combat mode.

The troubling thing is that just because the Establishment is bad, and Trump is against it, doesn't necessarily mean he is always good and everything he does is always good.

 

[I Love An Atheist]

I highly doubt this. Left wingers love Christians that attack the President and his agenda. They specifically market you in hopes you'll not only abstain from voting but will try to get others to do the same. NeverTrumpers are put on a pedestal by leftists. Just look at McCain, Jeff Flake, Graham. They love what you're doing.

It's more important whether or not God loves what we are doing.

The sole criteria of what is false and wrong is not whether Never Trumpers hate it or not.

Although I understand why it is smart to subject anything to extra scrutiny and suspicion if Never Trumpers are promoting it.

 

[I Love An Atheist]

It’s at the lowest rate for blacks than it’s been since they started tracking for blacks, 45 years. Don’t mean nuffin, right? Who talked about going into Chicago to make the streets safer, when Rahm does nothing? O? Nah, that was Trump.

That was then and this is now.

The Ku Klux Klan officially endorses Donald Trump for president
The Ku Klux Klan officially endorses Donald Trump for president

KKK newspaper The Crusader, the voice of “The Few, The Proud, The Fed Up” and the exclusively alabaster, has made it official.

“Make America Great Again” its front page howls, atop an editorial piece endorsing the Republican candidate and discussing its feeling of alienation in a “new” America.

“We are living among people who have been disconnected from the spirit, values, morals and faiths of our forefathers,” it whines, adding that “America was great not because of what our forefathers did - but because of who our forefathers were. America was founded as a White Christian Republic."

The Crusader is the paper of choice for the KKK and White Christian racists across America. The front page was written by Pastor Thomas Robb, national director of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, and the edition links to several KKK sites and features fan letters from Klan supporters in the police.
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I wouldn't be surprised if the current incarnation of the KKK is nearly complete Cointelpro, especially because the SPLC broke the back of the KKK years ago.

 

[I Love An Atheist]

That was a good move by the SBC but it didn't come easily.
"The fact it took nearly 24 hours to pass such a resolution clearly disturbed McKissic, however. "I think that today's vote will help to mitigate some of the hurt and some of the pain," he said, "because it's painful to watch people who tout biblical inerrancy and who tout the centrality of the Gospel have to deliberate over denouncing white supremacy."

The SBC had already passed a resolution in favor of racial reconciliation in 2015. I found it in two seconds by searching Southern Baptist Convention resolutions here:

Southern Baptist Convention > On Racial Reconciliation

This is a partial quote, and you can read the rest at the link.

WHEREAS, The Scriptures teach that God has created all men and women in His image (Genesis 1:27) and has made from one man and one woman all peoples to live on the earth (Genesis 3:20; Acts 17:26); and

WHEREAS, God loves the world (John 3:16), sending Jesus to die for the sins of the whole world (1 John 2:2), and, in Christ, is reconciling to Himself people from every tribe, tongue, and nation (Revelation 5:9); and

WHEREAS, Our justification before God is based on faith in Christ alone and not in our ethnicity (Galatians 3:27–28); and

WHEREAS, God has made believers one in Christ, clothed in the righteousness of Christ, and uniquely qualified to stand together in faith (Ephesians 2:15–16); and

WHEREAS, The Lord has given His people the mission of making disciples from every nation (Matthew 28:19); and

WHEREAS, Racism is sin because it disregards the image of God in all people and denies the truth of the Gospel that believers are all one in Him

 

[Baptist Believer]

It’s at the lowest rate for blacks than it’s been since they started tracking for blacks, 45 years.

It has been a slow and steady downward trend over the last decade. It has continued the trend at about the same rate. President Trump has not affected it for the better or worse, which is not a bad thing.

Who talked about going into Chicago to make the streets safer, when Rahm does nothing? O? Nah, that was Trump.

What, specifically, did the President do in Chicago to make the streets safer, other than talk about it. I'm interested to know.

 

[TCassidy]

What, specifically, did the President do in Chicago to make the streets safer, other than talk about it.

What can he do? Chicago, and the State of Illinois, are both governmental entities with legislative, judicial, and executive functions of their own. The federal government has very little to say about what Chicago or the State of Illinois enact into law, how they enforce those laws, and how they adjudicate the results.

I will be the first to admit that about 80% of state sovereignty has been stolen from the states by anti tenth amendment laws and judicial activism, but there is still, just barely, sufficient States Rights to keep the feds from interfering with State and Local legislation apart from a long drawn out, expensive, pathway of litigation from district courts, to the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals, then the circuit court of appeal en banc, and the Supreme Court of the United States.

We might get an enforceable precedent in 10 or 15 years.

 

[Wingman68]

It has been a slow and steady downward trend over the last decade. It has continued the trend at about the same rate. President Trump has not affected it for the better or worse, which is not a bad thing.


What, specifically, did the President do in Chicago to make the streets safer, other than talk about it. I'm interested to know.

I am not blocking you, but neither will I be engaging you. There’s no future in it. I don’t like wasting anyone’s time, including my own.