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Kellyanne Conway says Donald Trump’s team has ‘alternative facts.’ Which pretty much says it all.

kitkatjoe

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Calminian I hope you have a great new year. You seem like a thinker.


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kitkatjoe

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I hope we can talk again. I just somehow feel that friendship is important. I am trying to learn as I go. I just have a hard time in figuring out life. I do support President Trump because he is our leader.


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Crabtownboy

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This pretty much describes Trump, Conway and his supporters.
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“Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.”
George Orwell, 1984
 

Darrell C

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Carpro what is Gods plan? Is He a republican? Does he condone grabbing women's genitalia?


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Having worked construction for 30 years I understand how guys like to talk macho when no-one is around, but, that does not mean they would talk like that if there were women present. Trump needs to grow up, and he has just taken a position which is going to demand that.

As to God's Plan, that is pretty clear: His will is that men might be reconciled to Himself through Christ.


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Rolfe

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Having worked construction for 30 years I understand how guys like to talk macho when no-one is around, but, that does not mean they would talk like that if there were women present.

I hope that this is not an attempt to excuse this type of behavior.
 

Darrell C

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My focus is a little different. I'm less concerned about Trump than I am the Church.

Well, this is the Political section, lol. That is why there is a focus on political issues, which do not necessarily have to be divorced from Christian interests.


From what I'm observing, it's the Church that needs to grow up and get back to its roots.

I would go a step further and say that it is unlikely that much of the leadership in "Modern Christendom" is actually Christian to begin with.

And that is the problem.

Christian Doctrine has departed from it's roots in Scripture to the Systems of Theology which divide those who are actually born again believers. each group demanding the other embrace the Theology of their leader or hatred ensues.


Trump is likely not a believer (though it seems God is working on him),

I don't think he is either. And just based on what I hear so far I would have high hope that God is working in his heart, and that He has placed Christians in his circle who can witness and be an influence in his life. He (Trump) was quoted last night as referring to Christian Persecution, and while this is a point in the protests concerning the freeze on immigration, it does give me hope that the failure of the media to address this issue will, during his Presidency, be something brought into the equation.


and therefore Scripture tells me not to be too concerned over him.

I would have to disagree with that, my friend, it is the lost we are to have a primary concern for, and how much more those who stand in governing positions.


Yet Trump has taken some very good and righteous political stands.

He has, in my view, taken a historical positioning of an American President: what a breath of fresh air, lol.


Conversely many Church leaders are seeming to do the opposite. I can give examples, but suffice it to say, I'm much more concerned about the trends of the modern Church.

Which we have to question as to whether it can be viewed as "The Church."

The primary problem the True Church has is its departure from sound Doctrine.


We need to grow up before we can start nitpicking Trump.

Disagree a bit about that as well, here's why: if we wait until we are sinless or at least in our own minds suitable ministers of the Gospel and Sound Doctrine...we will never do anything. Christian effort has never relied on a unity among the Body, and if it had Paul would have sat back until he had approval from those who seemed to be higher up the chain than himself. We are all going to sin, fail, and make mistakes, that is just the nature of being still in unredeemed flesh, but, we can proceed according to the ability we have at any given time. The Gospel is not going to change, so we have a responsibility to convey the Gospel as best as we can...all the time.


And to me, this is just as big an issue as the life issue. And Trump, again, was our only option. Opposing him was not just a matter of taste, it was dangerous, as you say. This is why I'm so concerned about the current Christian leadership in this country.

There is still good leadership out there, but, that doesn't mean that impacts our lives in regards to our own callings go. Listened to Jesse Jackson putting in his two cents worth last night and was not surprised that pretty much everything he said...was wrong. Supposedly a Christian leader yet he equates Christianity to Islam and Judaism. "They are all Abrahamic religions," he said. That is one of the most reprehensible doctrines being taught to people today.

Nevertheless, we don't withdraw based on error taught by others, but quite they opposite, we go on the offensive.


Political liberalism has crept into the Church and we now have a real crisis.

I view it more as Political Religion. Some know what Glenn Beck had for breakfast but couldn't find Genesis in the Bible without googling it. Liberal politics have been a problem for decades, and again it is a matter of Doctrine. Reagan said "It's not that our liberal friends are ignorant, it's a matter of their knowing so much that isn't true," and that goes just as well for many "Christian" groups out there today.

I usually stay away from political issues for the most part and try to focus on Biblical Doctrine, but I will be honest: I am sick and tired of having the Liberal Agenda shoved down my throat, and I for one am glad to see that enough people voted this time to make the statement they are as well.


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Darrell C

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I hope that this is not an attempt to excuse this type of behavior.

Not at all, but, I will say that I think God...understands this kind of behavior. When I was saved one of the first things I set down to accomplish was to quit cussing. I thought if I did that it would make me a better Christian. Well, certainly not cussing is a good thing for a Christian, but...shall I despise those who still do and elevate myself above them in the eyes of God? Creates a bit of problem, doesn't it? I often have people on the job saying sorry when they cuss around me, and that has nothing to do with me, but with them.

As far as talking about women, that is what guys do in construction, but, as I said, that doesn't mean they would do that around women, but would be more respectful in their language and what they say.

Its a guy thing. And that is how I view Trump's statement. It gives us insight into how he thinks, but, we haven't seen him carrying signs around with vulgar language as we have seen in the protests. The hypocrisy is astounding. That's like beating up violent people because one is a pacifist, lol.


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Darrell C

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This pretty much describes Trump, Conway and his supporters.
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“Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.”
George Orwell, 1984

Could you list the contradictory beliefs of Trump you refer to?


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Darrell C

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Darrell C said:

Not at all, but, I will say that I think God...understands this kind of behavior.


Rationalization of sin. Never goes out of style.

I am sorry you have such a bad habit of misunderstanding what is said.

So you deny that God understands sin?

If your intent is simply to slander I will forego addressing anything you say.


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InTheLight

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I am sorry you have such a bad habit of misunderstanding what is said.

Sorry you write so obliquely. Using the word "understanding" in the context of man sinning and God knowing about it implies a level of sympathy. Give it a try:

God understands why men talk lasciviously about women.
God understands why men look at porn.
God understands why men skim from the cash register.
God understands why men get drunk.

So you deny that God understands sin?

Yes, in the context you are using the word "understand."

If your intent is simply to slander I will forego addressing anything you say.

Sounds like a good idea.
 

Darrell C

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Darrell C said:

Not at all, but, I will say that I think God...understands this kind of behavior.


So He just overlooks sin? Wow.


There is a difference between overlooking, which you imply me as saying, and understanding.


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Darrell C

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Darrell C said:

I am sorry you have such a bad habit of misunderstanding what is said.

Sorry you write so obliquely.

Nothing oblique in what I have said. Just a matter of your proclivity to slander which is why you misunderstand what is said. If you did then it would hinder your true intent.


Using the word "understanding" in the context of man sinning and God knowing about it implies a level of sympathy.

Only in the mind of someone looking for a reason to slander.

But as far as sympathy goes, are you now saying God has no sympathy for the sinner?


Give it a try:

God understands why men talk lasciviously about women.
God understands why men look at porn.
God understands why men skim from the cash register.
God understands why men get drunk.

He does, and...?



So you deny that God understands sin?

Yes, in the context you are using the word "understand."

How would you know? You assume the context and run with it.

Here is the context:

Hebrews 4:15

King James Version (KJV)


15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.



You might want to familiarize yourself with the sympathy God shows towards sinners.





If your intent is simply to slander I will forego addressing anything you say.

Sounds like a good idea.

Thanks for admitting your only intent is to slander.


God bless.
 
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